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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 15, 2017 10:06:09 GMT -8
As a player, I have a harder time trusting Sabbat defectors than I do Setites or even Baali. Just, you know, for whatever that's worth. Oof. Now there's a point of comparison. I was looking forward to the uphill battle to secure Cammie trust as a source of character pathos, but if he's not even going to get his foot in the door... So much for a Camarilla Tzimisce plastic surgeon specializing in removing tails resulting from failed Frenzy checks. Just to offer some information, much like Nosferatu appearance, Gangrel animal features will reset. Clan weaknesses can't really be fixed, just abated for a night or two.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 15, 2017 11:23:12 GMT -8
Oof. Now there's a point of comparison. I was looking forward to the uphill battle to secure Cammie trust as a source of character pathos, but if he's not even going to get his foot in the door... So much for a Camarilla Tzimisce plastic surgeon specializing in removing tails resulting from failed Frenzy checks. Just to offer some information, much like Nosferatu appearance, Gangrel animal features will reset. Clan weaknesses can't really be fixed, just abated for a night or two. Ah, right. I was going off the fact that as long as the sculpting Kindred is of lower generation than the sculptee, the Vicissitude changes would stick. Still, perhaps someone with a conspicuous enough animal feature might make an arrangement to have it erased nightly before social engagements.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 15, 2017 11:40:53 GMT -8
I've known a few prissy Gangrel
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Post by 1d4cast_James on Mar 15, 2017 15:19:31 GMT -8
There are what are called Old Clan Tzimisce who do not have Vissicitude. I don't see why they can't be In the Camarilla. Not wide spread mind you, but workable.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 15, 2017 16:09:59 GMT -8
There are what are called Old Clan Tzimisce who do not have Vissicitude. I don't see why they can't be In the Camarilla. Not wide spread mind you, but workable. Tremere and Ventrue being part of the Camarilla (lots of bad blood there), as well as their policy of isolation, and finally them belonging primarily to the True Black Hand. Obviously, its whatever the storyteller okays because my number one rule is, fun first, but as far as lore reasons for why, that about sums it up.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 15, 2017 16:10:59 GMT -8
As a player, I have a harder time trusting Sabbat defectors than I do Setites or even Baali. Just, you know, for whatever that's worth. I missed this somehow. Any chance of Skully going Baali?
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Post by sbloyd on Mar 15, 2017 16:19:23 GMT -8
Well, especially with the origins of the Tremere and their Gargoyle servants.
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Post by 1d4cast_James on Mar 15, 2017 17:25:07 GMT -8
Fair points. I concede
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Post by Probie Tim on Mar 15, 2017 17:50:56 GMT -8
I missed this somehow. Any chance of Skully going Baali? Merit: Apostate Discipline: Daimonion Just a few more XP, and it's done.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 16, 2017 12:50:53 GMT -8
Thanks for all the advice and context, everyone! Yeah, it's sounding as if claiming to be a Caitiff (or actually being one, in the social but not physiological sense, since he wouldn't have clan support anyway) is the ticket. He wouldn't like being treated as if he were lowly born, but hey, better that than six feet under, yeah?
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 9:18:17 GMT -8
Thanks for all the advice and context, everyone! Yeah, it's sounding as if claiming to be a Caitiff (or actually being one, in the social but not physiological sense, since he wouldn't have clan support anyway) is the ticket. He wouldn't like being treated as if he were lowly born, but hey, better that than six feet under, yeah? Definitely a good approach. Most Lasombra Antitribu try to keep their narcissism under control and pretend to be Ventrue. Less options for Tzimisce unless you want to graft animal parts into yourself and pretend to be Gangrel.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 17, 2017 9:59:32 GMT -8
Definitely a good approach. Most Lasombra Antitribu try to keep their narcissism under control and pretend to be Ventrue. Less options for Tzimisce unless you want to graft animal parts into yourself and pretend to be Gangrel. Grafting on animal parts to pretend to be Gangrel is ingenious and would be great for allaying suspicion, but given the Gangrel penchant for roaming, I think the Tzimisce clan flaw requiring ancestral dirt naps would blow that cover eventually. "For a Gangrel, you sure are a homebody." It seems like Caitiffdom (Caitiffhood? Caitifftry?) is the way to go, if he's smart about it. But trying to pass as Gangrel and dealing with the fallout sounds like great fun. I'm excited to revisit this character.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 12:11:29 GMT -8
Definitely a good approach. Most Lasombra Antitribu try to keep their narcissism under control and pretend to be Ventrue. Less options for Tzimisce unless you want to graft animal parts into yourself and pretend to be Gangrel. Grafting on animal parts to pretend to be Gangrel is ingenious and would be great for allaying suspicion, but given the Gangrel penchant for roaming, I think the Tzimisce clan flaw requiring ancestral dirt naps would blow that cover eventually. "For a Gangrel, you sure are a homebody." It seems like Caitiffdom (Caitiffhood? Caitifftry?) is the way to go, if he's smart about it. But trying to pass as Gangrel and dealing with the fallout sounds like great fun. I'm excited to revisit this character. So I have not checked out the Tzimisce clan weakness for V20 so this may be out of date advice but the way I've seen players and storytellers get around that is that they used Vicissitude to create a pouch within themselves to hold the dirt. I'm out taking my daughter to Beauty &I the Beast at the moment so I can't check if there's been any mechanical updates to the weakness
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 12:17:13 GMT -8
Honestly, Vicissitude is one of those disciplines I've always rewarded creativity when allowed. There are interesting features in the animal kingdom and mimicking or stealing them has always been an option I allow. Also give you a reason to invest in that Animalism discipline everyone always forgets they have.
Same with Lore of Flesh/Lore of the Wild in Demon.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 17, 2017 12:33:34 GMT -8
Honestly, Vicissitude is one of those disciplines I've always rewarded creativity when allowed. There are interesting features in the animal kingdom and mimicking or stealing them has always been an option I allow. Also give you a reason to invest in that Animalism discipline everyone always forgets they have. Same with Lore of Flesh/Lore of the Wild in Demon. Have a great time at the movies with your daughter! No rush to reply or anything. Yeah, I've noticed the same thing about Animalism - it usually gets passed over in favor of other Disciplines. One of my fellow players said it made his character feel like too much of a Disney princess (speaking of Beauty and the Beast), but grafting animal parts onto a body and having them remain functional opens up a new world of possibilities. I can already think of one for my character - given that Civil-War-era duelists in the Southern backcountry would sharpen their fingernails and teeth, I could see him taking some retractable claws off of a big cat.
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