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Post by ilina on Mar 13, 2017 13:24:06 GMT -8
all too often, an Anime or Manga or JRPG Fan gets introduced to tabletop RPGs and they want to play a Puella Magi or a Super Saiyan or something. if it sounds like a Cliche Shonen Jump Protagonist like Luffy, Goku or Ichigo, i normally point them to the the Cleric and if it is some kind of Magical Girl, i point them to the Warlock.
because i found out, those Classes tend to be quite popular for what you can reskin their flavor as, rather than what their default flavor is. i swear, this totally started the Cleric and Warlock Boom Era of 5e. lots of people gather to 5e to play a Puella Magi or a Super Saiyan or something, and 5e offers the tools to play both in the player's handbook.
just requires a less dark and creepy reskin, but i have a Warlock of the Maelstrom Maiden whom might be simply a clever reskin of the half elf archfey warlock to be a magical girl. a storms and piracy themed magical girl who currently has no sailing skill but should eventually.
yes, Warlocks and Clerics are popular again and i see why. all hail the Dawn of the Era of Anime D&D being available in the core rules.
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Post by ayslyn on Mar 13, 2017 13:36:06 GMT -8
I think you are over thinking things, and making a lot of unwarranted assumptions.
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Post by dspott on Sept 16, 2017 5:29:20 GMT -8
I have noticed that races tend to cycle through popularity, and i suppose that classes do as well. What you say may well be true, though most things in D&D can be interpreted in different ways. I'm glad to know that Otaku are enjoying D&D more. Persnalyl i expect that they will have awesome ideas for roleplaying and will be good members to have on a party.
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 16, 2017 8:12:23 GMT -8
The cycling of class/race interest usually has more to do with happenings on WoTC's Unearthed Arcana articles ('oh, look a new ranger type' etc) and variants, etc, that get introduced in whatever Adventure Supplement is current (inclusive of the DnD League tie ins). The Cleric Gods and Warlocks Patrons have had pretty heavy make over from all these sources recently, thus the kindling of interest. This goes back to old 2e complete* books, when they were released everyone wanted on board with '*'. The same thing happens with original Unearthed Arcana - suddenly everyone wanted to be Driw or a Grey Elf or a Deep Gnome or a Barbarian or (the most common for power players) Paladin Cavalier. Aaron
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Post by ilina on Sept 16, 2017 13:49:35 GMT -8
i mean. i'm an Otaku myself, and i enjoying applying a coat of Moe Blob Anime Paint to most D&D characters i play. but Cleric and Warlock are popular among Otaku, because you can do some Very Otaku things with them via clever use of reskins. and Half-Elf Hexblade Warlock with Archfey descriptions/Oath of Vengeance Paladin Devoted to an Archfey Master is a very fun build for a more martial magical girl. literally the sword wielding magical girl build.
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 16, 2017 23:29:54 GMT -8
One shouldn't generalise based purely on personal experience - we call that anecdotal evidence (which, ironically, isn't considered evidence at all). You could say: 'based on my personal experience I find xyz, which is fine for me but I wouldn't want vouch for the internal processes of others without proper, objective, validation'. Then you would set out asking those others, but only after actually confirming that there is some sort of phenomena to question i.e.: is there actually a trend, or rise in interest, in Warlocks and Clerics or are you simply making the evidence fit your hypothesis ( selective attention, confirmation bias etc etc). Critical thinking and rational thought/logic are learnt skills not innate gifts, that's why we have these big buildings, that have survived for centuries, called Universities that are dedicated to teaching precisely that (though some are better at it than others, give the current zeitgeist of social politics making campus life, in those affected campuses, sound hellish these days). For example: I can identify with being a Black Panther all I want, doesn't make me a Black Panther or put me in a position to extrapolate my personal concerns/ideas as representative of Black Panthers. Nb: I'm not referring to the animal, rather the organisation. Aaron PS I don't identify with being a member of the Black Panthers - I just like the name.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 4:17:55 GMT -8
I'm glad anything is drawing more people to the hobby.
That being said, I don't know if you can really say that clerics or warlocks are popular because you can reskin them. If that's the case, you're really doing the work, they're not specifically crafted that way. And not to edition war, but I think if any D&D ruleset really made things anime-like, it was 4e.
Funny story: running a module in 4e. One of my players, during their planning in the dungeon, says he's going to charge the duergar barricade and draw them all to him. For 10 minutes, the other players keep arguing that's great and all but what if they don't charge him? Oh they will. Finally, the player gets mad and tells them it's his 7th level power Come Get Some. A collective 'You MUST be misreading that power!'
Nope. He wasn't. He could literally charge and PULL enemies within a certain radius to within melee range for him.
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Post by ilina on Sept 29, 2017 20:38:29 GMT -8
3.5 and 2.5 were also pretty anime-esque or they could theoretically end up that way. especially towards the Shonen genre,
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Post by ayslyn on Sept 30, 2017 17:09:53 GMT -8
O.o
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Post by Kainguru on Oct 1, 2017 9:40:09 GMT -8
Don't, don't go there ... it's pointless. I swear to god Ilina would see anime tropes in the Warlock of Firetop Mountain. It's part and parcel of the obsession ... filtering everything thru the lens of the preoccupation and generating numerous false positives due to attribution error and confirmation bias. Not going to even bother situating 2.5 in its historical context vis-a-vis when it was published (stares into the distance wistfully remembering '1995 I was still young then') In fact here's a challenge (cause I'm wicked that way) - find the otaku tropes in The Silmarillon. Aaron
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Post by EricaOdd on Oct 1, 2017 9:46:14 GMT -8
And some of these terms might have to be defined for those of us not in the anime fandom... I have no idea what most of this means.
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 1, 2017 10:08:11 GMT -8
And some of these terms might have to be defined for those of us not in the anime fandom... I have no idea what most of this means. I can try. Which're giving you trouble?
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Post by flyingjackelope on Oct 1, 2017 10:34:28 GMT -8
I'll do what I can, but I'll probably just define everything. These are going to be bare bone definitions. I'm not going into the differences between US and Japan's styles. Anime - Japan's version of cartoons. Manga - Japan's version of Comics JRPG - Japanese RPG (Video Games) think Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Legend of Dragoon, Ys Puella Magi - Magical girl anime Super Saiyan - From the popular Anime called Dragon ball Z. The transformation the Protagonists, who of the Saiyan blood line, go through to gain more power. Shounen Jump - A popular weekly magazine in Japan that publishes chapters of popular Manga. It holds rankings to see if the Manga is rising/declining in popularity. The word Shounen from the magazine name means young man, and is in itself a genre of manga that particularly focuses on powered individual that overcome adversity through the greatest power there is: friendship. Luffy, Goku, Ichigo - Names of the lead protagonists for the popular animes One Piece, Dragon ball Z, and Bleach, respectively Magical Girl - A genre of anime/manga wherein the lead protagonists are Middle School or High School girls that fight evil by transforming to become more powerful e.g. Sailor moon, cardcaptor Sakura, etc... Otaku - A person obsessed with anime and manga. Moe - is a Japanese term used in connection with manga or anime to describe something precious, usually (but not always) the ideal of youthful and innocent femininity. Written with the kanji for "to bud or sprout" (萌), the concept covers a range of ideal behaviour for youthful female characters in manga or anime.
I just copy pasted the last one. I don't really follow all the tropes. I hope this help EricaOdd
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Post by EricaOdd on Oct 1, 2017 10:51:16 GMT -8
Well I assume 'otaku' means anime fan. But what is it about these classes that makes them magical girls? That's Sailor Moon stuff, right? I don't see a lot of that in D&D, so I'm obviously missing something there in the translation. And what is shonen?
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Post by flyingjackelope on Oct 1, 2017 10:57:16 GMT -8
EricaOdd, I uh, went ahead an defined everything in my previous post. Guess I didn't need to go that far.
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