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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 12:29:16 GMT -8
Spell casters can get a feat at level 1 (if you're using feats and the variant human feature) that lets them ignore resistance with specific elements. Is that bullshit too? No because that's straight up in the rules, everyone can know about it just by looking at the rules so there's no mystery or switcheroo about it. Also it doesn't state that the type of energy is somehow what it is, except not. It's just that the spellcaster is really good at this type of energy magic so they can make it more potent, but it is still "cold" or "fire" or whatever damage. See that's fine with me, my issue was with the fact that the way Tyler presented it made it sound specifically like the GM said "It's 'Cold Damage' except it's sort of not, so you can't protect yourselves from it using Cold Protection, even though it kind of is Cold damage... except NOT." And that sounds like lazy GMing. Now if that terminology was meant specifically as an in-game description then that's different because it's not actually Cold damage, it just "feels" like Cold damage and is essentially just a new type of damage, maybe "Void damage" as I mentioned in my previous post. As for further suggestions, since it sort of sounds like the blast saps the lifeforce our of you and also makes you feel cold, but is neither Necrotic nor Cold based... could using BOTH Necrotic and Cold protection work??? Sort of like by targeting the effects rather than the blast itself? Would the characters have time to do research and experimentation before fighting these dragons to see if that might be a viable approach? It really sounds like your issue then is just the way the GM described the damage. It was a monster ability that duplicated an existing rule, but because the words weren't the same, it's GM bullshit. We've only got a long rest to come up with a solution, so I've been avoiding anything experimental for finding a resistance. I'm not sure we'll be facing any lesser dragons at this point where we could reasonably test anything like that, so I've been focused on ways to avoid the damage entirely, or on options that mitigate ALL damage, regardless of how it interacts with resistances.
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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 12:32:46 GMT -8
Imprisonment spell. Slap that bitch in a gemstone prison for eternity. (Bonus: it doesn't die when you do this. No nuke.) This is a solid idea. Same obstacles as the True Polymorph plan, in that we need to get it to blow its legendary saves before something like this will stick. Though, I'm thinking that this thing might be somehow tied to the plane it's on, and that we need to KILL it to resolve part of the plot, vs. just removing it from play (in the grand cosmic scheme, not in the dice and miniatures scheme).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 12:36:24 GMT -8
Skimming over the wish description could you not just use it to gain resistance to the void damage? So not resistance to cold but more specifically to just the void type of damage?
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Post by ilina on Jul 7, 2017 12:38:03 GMT -8
My Drigins Culd ish Speshul! it ignur Culd Immoonity becuz not Rely Culd. it ish Speshul Culd from Der Void called Da Neverwurd. it ish liek Culd but no relly Culd. it ish Speshul Culd.
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Post by sbloyd on Jul 7, 2017 12:39:59 GMT -8
Skimming over the wish description could you not just use it to gain resistance to the void damage? So not resistance to cold but more specifically to just the void type of damage? Using Wish is severely punished in-system, though. He'd be sidelining himself.
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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 12:41:15 GMT -8
Skimming over the wish description could you not just use it to gain resistance to the void damage? So not resistance to cold but more specifically to just the void type of damage? This just made me re-read Wish. That would probably work, but even better would be the next effect you can create, total immunity to a single spell or magical effect. This would come with a timing component as well, though. If I cast the Wish beforehand, I'm going to take a ton of damage from spellcasting during the battle. So I'd have to cast it when we got close to the end. This is probably the best way to handle it.
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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 12:41:42 GMT -8
My Drigins Culd ish Speshul! it ignur Culd Immoonity becuz not Rely Culd. it ish Speshul Culd from Der Void called Da Neverwurd. it ish liek Culd but no relly Culd. it ish Speshul Culd. Glad we're keeping it classy.
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Post by RudeAlert on Jul 7, 2017 12:46:57 GMT -8
It really sounds like your issue then is just the way the GM described the damage. It was a monster ability that duplicated an existing rule, but because the words weren't the same, it's GM bullshit. Pretty much yeah, the way you presented it in your opening post totally made it sounds like the GM was just being a dick and saying "Hey guys, it's totally like 'Special' Cold damage so fuck you! hahahahaha I win!" And having been in shitty situations like that with shitty GMs who did do stuff like that, yeah it sounded pretty lame. Now, as has been clarified since, that's not quite how it is, so that's now a totally different story. Other thought that just crossed my mind. Holy fuck you have a fucking Wish spell!!! whodo suggested making yourself immune to one specific type of damage, which is certainly a good idea, but if you want to protect everyone else too, could you just wish (when the dragon is looking really rough and about to die very soon so you don't kill yourself with Necrotic damage from further spellcasting) that the dragon instantly returns to its home plane upon the instant of death? That way the moment the dragon dies it just pops back home and explodes there instead of on your turf and in your and all your friends' faces.
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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 12:50:06 GMT -8
The more I think about it, the more I think Wish is the answer. Just have to make sure I get the right application of it, though. While I'm sure my GM wouldn't be a dick about wish loopholes, we've never done much with it other than spell duplication, and we did have a break in a session where we all joked about the best way to screw players when they wish for things...
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Post by ilina on Jul 7, 2017 12:57:28 GMT -8
sorry, i also misinterpreted things based on the way you wrote your opening post. i am so used to playing with Dick GMs that i thought this was another case of Dick GM denying the players the benefit of a core ability.
if i wanted to include a new damage type, i would allow players to find or research a means to resist it, and fairly soon after introducing it. so that they wouldn't feel robbed by the new damage type. but then, i don't need a new damage type to challenge players with.
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Post by RudeAlert on Jul 7, 2017 13:02:52 GMT -8
The more I think about it, the more I think Wish is the answer. Just have to make sure I get the right application of it, though. While I'm sure my GM wouldn't be a dick about wish loopholes, we've never done much with it other than spell duplication, and we did have a break in a session where we all joked about the best way to screw players when they wish for things... Actually I just looked up the specifics of Wish and it seems like whodo was more right than I though, I thought the damage type resistance was only for the caster but since it benefits up to 10 creatures in sight, assuming it's just going to be you and your party, that would be pretty badass. And there's no duration on that so, by my reading, you'd all be permanently resistant to that particular damage type. Not as impressive as full-on immunity, but still. And you could cast this Wish at any time before the battle so you could cast it before the long rest you mentioned you guys have before the encounter so you wouldn't have to worry about taking Necrotic damage from further spellcasting during the actual encounter itself.
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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 13:28:33 GMT -8
sorry, i also misinterpreted things based on the way you wrote your opening post. i am so used to playing with Dick GMs that i thought this was another case of Dick GM denying the players the benefit of a core ability. if i wanted to include a new damage type, i would allow players to find or research a means to resist it, and fairly soon after introducing it. so that they wouldn't feel robbed by the new damage type. but then, i don't need a new damage type to challenge players with. Nonconstructive response that ignores the original intent of the post - check. Doubling down when nonconstructive response is called out - check. Grade school level mockery - check. Half-assed apology that includes a backdoor brag - check. Guys, I am a hitler comparison away from "internet jackass bingo"!
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Post by sbloyd on Jul 7, 2017 13:34:24 GMT -8
Careful, it might be your DOWNFALL.
There, there's your Hitler reference.
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Post by tyler on Jul 7, 2017 14:11:07 GMT -8
The more I think about it, the more I think Wish is the answer. Just have to make sure I get the right application of it, though. While I'm sure my GM wouldn't be a dick about wish loopholes, we've never done much with it other than spell duplication, and we did have a break in a session where we all joked about the best way to screw players when they wish for things... Actually I just looked up the specifics of Wish and it seems like whodo was more right than I though, I thought the damage type resistance was only for the caster but since it benefits up to 10 creatures in sight, assuming it's just going to be you and your party, that would be pretty badass. And there's no duration on that so, by my reading, you'd all be permanently resistant to that particular damage type. Not as impressive as full-on immunity, but still. And you could cast this Wish at any time before the battle so you could cast it before the long rest you mentioned you guys have before the encounter so you wouldn't have to worry about taking Necrotic damage from further spellcasting during the actual encounter itself. I don't think resistance will work, because it isn't stated as a new damage type, it's being stated as, effectively, unresistable cold. But it is interesting to note that there is no duration on the resistance, while there is on other effects...
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Post by Monkeyfun Dave on Jul 7, 2017 14:21:37 GMT -8
Long periods of unresistable cold will bring down anyone. Just like Stalingrad.
...waaaaaaait for it.....
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