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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:22:41 GMT -8
A head's up. D&D Beyond is up. Character builder seems to work fine, you can buy PDFs of the materials.
Something I thought is cool? They have Tales from the Yawning Portal, for example, for $24.99, OR you can buy individual dungeons from it for $6.99. More efficient for the all-in-one, but if someone ONLY wanted White Plume for example... taadaa
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Post by lowkeyoh on Aug 15, 2017 22:58:18 GMT -8
The PDF stuff I'm excited for, but the character builder is neither as robust or as easy to use as orcpub2.com/ which is disappointing.
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Post by Kainguru on Aug 16, 2017 1:59:52 GMT -8
The PDF stuff I'm excited for, but the character builder is neither as robust or as easy to use as orcpub2.com/ which is disappointing. That Orcpub generator is very very cool - I like the fact that you can select the individual unearth arcana as a source books Aaron
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Post by lowkeyoh on Aug 16, 2017 3:41:59 GMT -8
I'm not much of a digital tools guy, and I maintained for a long time that D&D 5e was simple enough to just do everything pen and paper. But OrcPub is so easy to use AND it'll print class feature descriptions on the sheet automatically. It has integration with MOST Unearthed Arcanas, will create spell cards, and it's pretty easy to use. My only real gripe is that the equipment management is kinda clunky and they don't have the Kits of the Old UA which has the best Fighter Specialization, the Scout.
If Beyond releases an AP that integrates digital sheets on mobile and tablet, I'll probably migrate over. The ability to use D&D Guild content doesn't really interest me now, but I haven't really looked into it that much. Homebrew material, however does. OrcPub's homebrew tools are pretty lackluster.
I give it a few months before Beyond really becomes robust enough to consider seriously using.
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Post by vyrrk on Aug 16, 2017 10:04:49 GMT -8
My big fear is that now that DnDBeyond is "done", WotC will now come after OrcPub and shut them down.
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Post by nanoboy on Aug 17, 2017 18:53:49 GMT -8
It looks ridiculously expensive if you actually want to have the content that you may have already paid for.
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Post by Kainguru on Feb 27, 2018 2:24:13 GMT -8
Jesus H shitting Xmas, how much to use features from books I already own in hard copy? ? Plus you can’t homebrew classes so no plugging in those useful UA options. Fucking WoTC - spends a fortune on something that’s basically broken by degrees, given the Orcpub tools did all the things Beyond doesn’t - it then adds insult to injury by hitting Orcpub with a legal injunction to block exactly those features Beyond doesn’t have. I understand trademark ownership but, at least, build those features into the official product before hamstringing the other one I just want to be able to use the mystic class so I can convert one of my 2e players wild talent PC. The campaign narrative would break if psionics didn’t exist as events from before wouldn’t have been possible in creating the current ‘now’ without them. Aaron
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Post by the0gekko0state on Feb 27, 2018 7:42:18 GMT -8
Yeah I've lost interest in it as well. I was quite taken with it and bought the Corebook to unlock some things. But it doesn't seem worth it at all. I'm going to continue to get hardcopies instead, partly because I find them easier to read and use. It had so much potential too.
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Post by vyrrk on Feb 27, 2018 12:48:21 GMT -8
So I have been running a game for a about 7 sessions now and we are using it. I bought the PHB(for the 3rd time), Xanthers, and the items only from the DMG. Then my group all kicked in and I got the DM subscription so they can all use my content. It was a expensive test. HOWEVER... my players LOVE it. Like over the moon for it. They like that I can just add and take away items. They love that they can look up rules quickly. But most of all they love how spells work and how easy they are to mark off used and how when they rest it auto unchecks and stuff. As a gm... the only stuff I am really happy about is being able to create magic items and have access to the players character sheets. And maybe rules/spell lookup. That is really fast now.
For the downsides... I really hate that I had to buy the PHB again. I bought it in hard cover, I bought it for roll20 and I have now bought it for DnDBeyond. It annoyed me I couldn't create characters for my players to add to my campaign. I hear that's changing soon though. My big issue is money. I wish if you paid the yearly subscription they would give you access to the big 3 books. But whatever. I like 5e and this is how my players want to play.
Honestly... it has been pretty good, just expensive.
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Post by tyler on Feb 28, 2018 12:34:41 GMT -8
I had the same "Why would I pay for content I already own?" thoughts at first as well. Since then, I've changed my mind on the subject, and actually bought quite a bit of content on DDB. The easiest way for me to think about it is that I'm not paying twice for the same content, I'm paying once for the book, and once for the work that someone at twitch had to put into creating and maintaining DDB.
I do agree that a subscription should net you the use of the PHB, DMG, and MM, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:36:15 GMT -8
I do like that you have the option to just buy a class, let's say, from a book instead of buying the whole book. Or a race. Sometimes, you don't need all the crunch if all you really want is just one thing.
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Post by tyler on Mar 2, 2018 15:27:00 GMT -8
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Post by tyler on Mar 2, 2018 15:29:28 GMT -8
I do like that you have the option to just buy a class, let's say, from a book instead of buying the whole book. Or a race. Sometimes, you don't need all the crunch if all you really want is just one thing. And the great thing about that option is that the amount you pay for those piecemeal things reduces the cost of the overall book by the same amount. So if you buy half a dozen classes at 1.99 each, the total price for the rest of the book comes down by 11.94. That's how I ended up with the full version of Xanathar's guide. I bought a few classes, then the spells, then a couple magic items, and finally, the cost of the book was so low, I just bought the full thing.
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Post by ayslyn on Mar 2, 2018 20:02:00 GMT -8
IMO, good should be in quotes. I've seen the argument presented elsewhere and I believe it to be a flawed argument in that it completely ignores human nature, and consumer perception. The prices are so high, that of course there is going to be pushback on having to pay them numerous times. i.e. I bought the Sentinels of the Multiverse app on my iPhone. I also bought the first expansion pack. I'm in around $20, all told. After playing with it, I realized that I should have bought it on my Android tablet.... I am absolutely not paying for it again, just so I can enjoy it on a different device. Same thing with DDB. I bought all the books. I am absolutely not paying nearly the same price that I did for the books to rent the data. And there are a LOT of people that feel the same way. Currently, I suspect that there are more of us than there are those that don't mind. It's quite possible (hell, even guaranteed) that it will change with time. Soon, that will be the norm. But, I will happily dig in my heels and make them drag me kicking and screaming into that, IMO, quite unreasonable world. Although, I will admit that given past outrage, I am surprised that there isn't more pushback on this. Seeing even some of the hosts of this fine program decry optional side products as "Money Grabs". Which, to that... No freakin' DUH?? That's the whole point of a company. To make money. So, of course they are going to try to sell you a constant stream of new stuff. Please note, for clarity, that I am not opposed to them charging for these services, but rather am opposed to the level of pricing. Drop the price and I think it becomes much more palatable. If, for instance, in the Sentinels example above, they gave me a code that let me get the game and first expansion for, say, $5, then I would happily shell out the cash to add it to my tablet. I think that Roll20, DDB, and a number of other services are pricing themselves into the grey area. Drop the prices and you'll get a lot less pushback, as now most people won't feel like they are being taken advantage of, and being forced to buy the same content 2,3, or even more times.
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Post by Kainguru on Mar 3, 2018 0:51:39 GMT -8
If the core books were included in the Beyond subscription I could buy into that. But they’re not, their rationale is smoke and mirrors, it’s still a subscription to access the service to then have the privilege of paying twice for content I already own. It’s like paying for pay TV and having no channels until you pay again for each channel including the likes of, in the UK, the BBC (which is funded by a public license fee that everyone with a TV capable of receiving the BBC has to pay* ie: a public broadcaster). Plus they have advertising which funds the subscription free model. Aaron * yeah yeah I aware there are certain caveats that let one circumvent the license fee, but they are extreme fringe cases (and the license itself has changed to keep up with many of these loop holes ie iPlayer now requires an active tv license to access)
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