battlematt
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Preferred Game Systems: Rules light & intuitive
Currently Running: Nuttin.
Favorite Species of Monkey: Spanked
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Post by battlematt on Sept 17, 2018 23:21:48 GMT -8
I had to pick my jaw off the floor after the first email. Not because the guy went ahead and hired a voice actor for the bad guy, but because he apparently had 2 SEASONS OF PRE-WRITTEN PLOT, DOWN TO ACTUAL DIALOGUE LINES! Holy shiet. And nobody told him to "go make a fucking radio drama"? How the mighty have fallen.
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fredrix
Master Douchebag
Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Sept 18, 2018 2:12:07 GMT -8
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! What this guy has done is write, and record half a novel, or did I hear two seasons, then half of two novels. Now I do not want to piss on his pizza, but his is a different form of fun. What he is saying is “hey everyone, come and help me create an improvised story around my scripted villain! The only rule is - you can’t kill him uontil the end of season two.” Which is cool if that’s what this improvers want to do. Hell, record it even, and turn it into a semi improvised drama.
But it ain’t roleplaying. Is it? Really? Because it’s not just not being allowed to kill him, it is also not being allowed to ignore the big bad, and move to fishing village and have an adventure with a selkie. Or whatever. It’s about playing a character in the big bad’s story arc. It might be fun, but it’s not the rules of the game.
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battlematt
Apprentice Douchebag
Posts: 74
Preferred Game Systems: Rules light & intuitive
Currently Running: Nuttin.
Favorite Species of Monkey: Spanked
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Post by battlematt on Sept 18, 2018 4:46:07 GMT -8
Yeah, after I posted this I started wondering if I had violated the pizza-pissing rule. I probably did, huh? I was just completely flabbergasted at the level of railroading going on. It felt almost provoking.
Kudos to his group of they like that sort of stuff, but... If I had served that sort of thing to my group, they would immediately and actively start looking for creative ways of wrecking the plot.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 18, 2018 7:23:56 GMT -8
From my understanding, I think they're creating APs, and I have noticed that some APs are becoming less about the game and more about the drama (or however you want to phrase it).
Not quite radio dramas, but not the free-form games most of us are used to.
We don't run our APs like this, but it seems like it's becoming more and more common.
This is why he didn't get the nerd-rage lecture on railroading.
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fredrix
Master Douchebag
Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Sept 18, 2018 7:36:07 GMT -8
Yeah, I thought that too. And it can be fun for participants. But I like Happy Jacks APs best, and when we make them, we do them raw like you do. Some feel too much like impro to get me excited. I want actual PLAY, dice clattering, jokey asides an’ all. Keep on making them the way you do Stu Venable. I am not the most avid listener but L5R is keeping me hooked right now.
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Post by Zaszamonde on Sept 18, 2018 17:54:40 GMT -8
Honestly, if you're doing a more scripted-style of AP, just play the game and THEN record the new lines. Just splice them in. I think that's what the Campaign podcast does and it works great for them. 'Cuz no one can think that's all scripted seeing how much tsuris the players put Kat through
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 0:05:48 GMT -8
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! What this guy has done is write, and record half a novel, or did I hear two seasons, then half of two novels. Now I do not want to piss on his pizza, but his is a different form of fun. What he is saying is “hey everyone, come and help me create an improvised story around my scripted villain! The only rule is - you can’t kill him uontil the end of season two.” Which is cool if that’s what this improvers want to do. Hell, record it even, and turn it into a semi improvised drama. But it ain’t roleplaying. Is it? Really? Because it’s not just not being allowed to kill him, it is also not being allowed to ignore the big bad, and move to fishing village and have an adventure with a selkie. Or whatever. It’s about playing a character in the big bad’s story arc. It might be fun, but it’s not the rules of the game. "Okay. You do that. Game over. Everyone pack up your shit and get out of my living room. What? You were expecting that you could sign up for a game with a stated goal and instead of creating characters who would play within those confines, make ones who move to a fishing village? Yeah, you can run that yourself and in your own living room instead."
Seriously. Not being able to kill the big bad is normal in a pulp game. Should the guy leave more room open to react to the players? Probably, but there is nothing inherently wrong with what he is doing. Most people would call it a module if someone else wrote it. The defining part of a roleplaying game is not absolutely unchecked freedom.
His may be a different sort of fun, but it isn't "not a roleplaying game".
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