athos3
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Post by athos3 on Jun 3, 2013 14:23:00 GMT -8
I'm just listening to JiB's zombie game and was amused when someone asked how you tell how good looking a character is. I think that the use of Presence and Ego that was used was good for this case. I was amused by the exchange because in the switch from 5th to 6th ed my friends and I actually had a discussion of how much we would miss the Comeliness stat.
It was always a favorite of mine but most people don't miss it.
Any thoughts?
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Post by maxinstuff on Jun 4, 2013 2:09:54 GMT -8
I think it has been replaced by various advantages and disadvantages that convey attractiveness in a clearer way (are you attractive to women or feral bears?).
I'll be buggered if I can remember them off the top of my head, but I believe the rationale was that the stat was rarely used, and a bit too general in it's effect.
Hero experts wiser than I might be able to comment further (or correct me as the case may be).
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Post by athos3 on Jun 4, 2013 14:09:02 GMT -8
I think it has been replaced by various advantages and disadvantages that convey attractiveness in a clearer way (are you attractive to women or feral bears?). I want to be attractive to women and feral bears, is that possible? Or at least female feral bears.
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Post by Forresst on Jun 4, 2013 14:22:36 GMT -8
I want to be attractive to women and feral bears, is that possible? Or at least female feral bears.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 22:16:29 GMT -8
I'll be buggered if I can remember them off the top of my head, but I believe the rationale was that the stat was rarely used, and a bit too general in it's effect. I haven't actually played 6e much yet, but I only recall one game in which Com figured. During char gen somehow everyone decided to have Com 20 except me, who decided to have Com 0. :-) Too bad we never got that one off the ground. I suspect when I do get to play 6e I won't miss Com in practice, and will find the new system to be much more sane. IIRC in 4e Com eventually started costing points again as the score got lower and lower, since you started to be able to scare or otherwise affect people pretty effectively. Thus, it seems that all along the strength of the reaction was the key quantity, and the new system seems to be more "hero-like" in that you now simply define the special effect and pay for the game effect. It begs to be used more generally than described, where "striking" seems to only mean ugly or attractive. If a player described a credible striking appearance that didn't happen to be about attractiveness and a reasonable set of situations where the SA bonus should apply, then I'd let them use that as the special effect and buy SA for the effect.
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Post by maxinstuff on Jun 4, 2013 22:36:39 GMT -8
I'll be buggered if I can remember them off the top of my head, but I believe the rationale was that the stat was rarely used, and a bit too general in it's effect. I haven't actually played 6e much yet, but I only recall one game in which Com figured. During char gen somehow everyone decided to have Com 20 except me, who decided to have Com 0. :-) Too bad we never got that one off the ground. I suspect when I do get to play 6e I won't miss Com in practice, and will find the new system to be much more sane. IIRC in 4e Com eventually started costing points again as the score got lower and lower, since you started to be able to scare or otherwise affect people pretty effectively. Thus, it seems that all along the strength of the reaction was the key quantity, and the new system seems to be more "hero-like" in that you now simply define the special effect and pay for the game effect. It begs to be used more generally than described, where "striking" seems to only mean ugly or attractive. If a player described a credible striking appearance that didn't happen to be about attractiveness and a reasonable set of situations where the SA bonus should apply, then I'd let them use that as the special effect and buy SA for the effect. Indeed, just describe whether your hero is good looking, average or otherwise. Only require ads/disads for it if you expect it to have specific mechanical effects in-game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 9:10:02 GMT -8
Indeed, just describe whether your hero is good looking, average or otherwise. Only require ads/disads for it if you expect it to have specific mechanical effects in-game. Yes, that seems much more consistent with the rest of Hero than Com (and as I said, it can be trivially generalized to not be one-dimensional (sensuous rather than beautiful, for example, which ought to apply to slightly different rolls), while Com makes less and less sense the more you do that). I didn't pay enough attention to figure out what the main objection to changing it is, but I suspect it's a combination of "I want it to be one-dimensional like boys trying to decide if the head cheerleader is a 7 or an 8" and "I just don't want to change what I'm used to." I actually think hero stats could use much more revision than they got; 6e is almost an unhappy "too much or not enough" point for me. I'd split Int, for example (actually I've done that since I started playing in 4e, and need to see if it's possible to hack Hero Designer to do it so I can continue the practice), and rename Dex to Initiative or Reflexes (since 6e makes it not the primary representation of dexterity as a concept anymore but retains the name for purely historical reasons). But then, I think hero plays better as a roll-high system than as a roll-low system, so I'm probably very atypical.
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Post by athos3 on Jun 5, 2013 12:07:51 GMT -8
I want to be attractive to women and feral bears, is that possible? Or at least female feral bears. That's what I'm talkin' about
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 20:24:04 GMT -8
If you want it to matter via various skills acting charm pursuasion Conversation or any other interaction skills you buy the talent STRIKING APPEARANCE 3 pts per level is vs anything that measures beauty 2 pts per level those of your kind only(so only vs feral female bears if you are a male feral bear)
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