HyveMynd
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Post by HyveMynd on Sept 28, 2014 16:01:50 GMT -8
Some combinations were never meant to be, such as Burger King body spray, Facebook privacy, and strip clubs buffets. Some were, such as cheese anything, free anything (except U2 albums), and 13th Age in Glorantha. In this plus-sized episode, we interview Rob Heinsoo, the creative director of Fire Opal Media, and Jeff Richard, the creative director of Moon Design Publications, about their Kickstarter collaborations, 13th Age in Glorantha and The Glorantha Source Book. If you’re a devotee of Glorantha and wondering whether or not 13th Age can do it justice, then this episode is for you. If you’re a fan of 13th Age and wondering why Glorantha is the favorite setting of so many game designers, then this episode is for you too. We even get a few teasers about what we could expect after these two books.
Duration - 1:33:24 Idle Red Hands Blog postDirect Download
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Post by malifer on Sept 28, 2014 16:37:40 GMT -8
So wow this happening. 13th Age in Glorantha. I'll start with the positive things I heard. Ducks are cool. Yes, they are. HyveMynd says the 13th Age printed books look really nice. Well that's out of the way, now for a mini-rant. Cults are not classes. This broke my heart the most. But I can see how such a misconception could lead to everything else in this episode. Magic is not being changed so you get that great 4th edition...err I mean 13th Age magic everyone loves. Except a major thing about Glorantha is everything is magical to the point where nearly every person is taught at least the weakest form of magic, Common/Folk magic. And that's not to say Common Magic is weak like a D&D Cantrip spell it's just weak compared to the Fireball a Sorcerer can cast. Common Magic can still save your life and mess up someone's day. This means a lot because powerful wizards maybe special, but using magic is not. It's part of everyday life. That's different than most fantasy settings I run across. Which brings me to Culture. Culture is an influence on many choices, but greatly influences your Common Magic and Cults. A Civilized person and a Barbarian do not have the same access or want in a cult. Cults then influence your character's beliefs and access to certain magic. But you can belong to different Cults at the same time and yes you can work your way up the ladder. But it does not have to be some dungeon crawl after dungeon crawl in the name of your cult. Like it seemed to be alluded to by one of guests. Also not all magic comes from Gods or requires worship. Sorcerers don't even need to bother with Cults to get their magic. This is a very small portion of what makes the RQ system interesting to me and now it's class you don't even have to play, you can still play your fighter class from the core book. Well that's exciting. Good Grief. They could use one unique thing for this d20 game. *mic drop*
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HyveMynd
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Post by HyveMynd on Sept 28, 2014 18:04:30 GMT -8
Thanks for listening to an episode that must have been absolute torture for you malifer. Your analogy on Google Plus about this being the same as someone saying "Let's do Monsterhearts in Savage Worlds' made me cringe. As you said though, this means you'll put your Kickstarter money towards The Sprawl and Spirit of '77, so some good came out of the interview.
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Lyal
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Post by Lyal on Oct 1, 2014 17:54:16 GMT -8
I guess Rob was right when he said that "cults are classes" were fighting words. We went into the interview as fans of 13th Age, so "13th Age in Anything" would have been fine. The fact that it was Glorantha was even better. I can understand when people don't like it when a game is changed, but I also think You know who did RuneQuest Glorantha really well? RuneQuest.
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Post by malifer on Oct 3, 2014 18:33:41 GMT -8
I actually don't care if they change a game, but don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
They had the balls to say there not changing magic to suit the Setting.
It's one thing to say there not concerned about how Runequest handled it and another to say everything is super easy to convert Cults are Classes, heroquests are dungeoncrawls and everything is just less magical. See piece of cake.
What they are doing is taking one of the early non-D&D games and making it D&D.
They are shoehorning this setting into their system. It's not innovative, it's business. More power to them.
But I think it is about as exciting as D20 Deadlands.
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Post by malifer on Oct 4, 2014 8:21:04 GMT -8
I actually don't care if they change a game, but don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. They had the balls to say there not changing magic to suit the Setting. It's one thing to say there not concerned about how Runequest handled it and another to say everything is super easy to convert Cults are Classes, heroquests are dungeoncrawls and everything is just less magical. See piece of cake. What they are doing is taking one of the early non-D&D games and making it D&D. They are shoehorning this setting into their system. It's not innovative, it's business. More power to them. But I think it is about as exciting as D20 Deadlands. Man, I was grumpy before I had my coffee this morning. lol.
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HyveMynd
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Post by HyveMynd on Oct 5, 2014 17:41:59 GMT -8
Man, I was grumpy before I had my coffee this morning. lol. Either that, or we tapped into a vein of white-hot molten nerd rage.
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Lyal
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Post by Lyal on Oct 6, 2014 18:39:39 GMT -8
I actually don't care if they change a game, but don't piss on me and tell me it's raining. They had the balls to say there not changing magic to suit the Setting. It's one thing to say there not concerned about how Runequest handled it and another to say everything is super easy to convert Cults are Classes, heroquests are dungeoncrawls and everything is just less magical. See piece of cake. What they are doing is taking one of the early non-D&D games and making it D&D. They are shoehorning this setting into their system. It's not innovative, it's business. More power to them. But I think it is about as exciting as D20 Deadlands. Now that's passion. Don't worry. I have it on good authority (Internet nerds) that D&D 4e, the precursor to 13th Age, is not D&D.
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Post by malifer on Oct 7, 2014 4:12:07 GMT -8
Now that's passion. Don't worry. I have it on good authority (Internet nerds) that D&D 4e, the precursor to 13th Age, is not D&D. lol. Nah. It's just that I can't type in my tone of voice. It comes much more serious than it would seem. Yay. Internet Nerds. The internet nerds keep telling me how great 5e is and I think we read different books. Also I never got that 4e isn't D&D. It seems the same to me. Dumb Class mechanics. Check. Stupid Combat Mechanics. Check. Main focus Kill things and take their stuff. Check. My understanding is that 13th Age just adds a tiny bit of narrative mechanics and the duct tape fix known as Escalation die.
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d47
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Post by d47 on Oct 10, 2014 0:33:19 GMT -8
I can understand when people don't like it when a game is changed, but I also think You know who did RuneQuest Glorantha really well? RuneQuest. I agree. It's a different paradigm. When I was a wee lad before I became a curmudgeon, we dropped AD&D for RQ and it was a blast. It was just totally different. Deadly and mysterious. No levels, no classes, NO AC, different magic, different races. Nonetheless, I think its great that there is such an interest in Glorantha, and we live in the age of remixes and mashups, so power to them. We could use Runequest to play a Greyhawk campaign too. It would be very different, but it could be fun.
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Post by malifer on Oct 10, 2014 2:58:46 GMT -8
Nonetheless, I think its great that there is such an interest in Glorantha, Do you really think it's interest in Glorantha? I viewed it as Consumers wanting stuff for their favorite game. It could have been 13th Age in Synnibarr and probably seen the same level of support. It's like how nearly every Pathfinder supplement I see on kickstarter succeeds. Nonetheless, I think its great that there is such an interest in Glorantha, and we live in the age of remixes and mashups, so power to them. We could use Runequest to play a Greyhawk campaign too. It would be very different, but it could be fun. Remixes and mash-ups is a beautiful way to put it. Taking something original and/or interesting then turning it into something vapid. "Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either..." - The Mighty Boosh Could it be fun? Sure. I think group trumps system in the fun department. But I also agree with HyveMynd on how to re-skin rpgs so if you really wanted Ducks in your game you don't need someone else to make up stats for you.
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Lyal
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Post by Lyal on Oct 10, 2014 8:08:16 GMT -8
Wow! You sound like the conversation that Wayne and I had today, Malifer. (It was about Rifts, though.) Yes, group always trumps system. I don't know about the ducks thing, though. You sometimes need someone else to make up ducks for you or you're stuck with pages of badly written house rules.
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Post by malifer on Oct 10, 2014 9:48:26 GMT -8
Wow! You sound like the conversation that Wayne and I had today, Malifer. (It was about Rifts, though.) Yes, group always trumps system. I don't know about the ducks thing, though. You sometimes need someone else to make up ducks for you or you're stuck with pages of badly written house rules. I'm not surprised. As much as HyveMynd and I have had our occasional lover's quarrels on these forums they're pretty superficial. "HEX is great!" "No Savage Worlds!" Rabble Rabble When I'm listening to Idle Red hands he is the voice I relate to the most... Before you say anything Lyal I'm sad about that too.
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Post by d47 on Oct 10, 2014 13:05:45 GMT -8
Remixes and mash-ups is a beautiful way to put it. Taking something original and/or interesting then turning it into something vapid. Sometimes, but not always true. In this case, I personally have no interest in this combination, but I am not going to hold that against the people who want to make it and want to play it.
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Post by malifer on Oct 10, 2014 15:46:06 GMT -8
Remixes and mash-ups is a beautiful way to put it. Taking something original and/or interesting then turning it into something vapid. Sometimes, but not always true. In this case, I personally have no interest in this combination, but I am not going to hold that against the people who want to make it and want to play it. This is all personal preference. I hold no ill will towards anyone. If you're having fun excellent. You could be use Amber Diceless for all I care. My main contention was the sales pitch seemed to be "it's a perfect fit 13th Age" when in reality one part would have to give up something. In this case is was Glorantha. No big deal I don't have to buy it.
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