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Post by The Northman on Apr 22, 2016 21:15:17 GMT -8
A old friend of mine has devised an 'instant leveling' technique I wanted to run by the brain-trust here.
In summary:
1. Find Giant Bee hive. 2. Strip naked and wade into Giant Bee hive. 3. Ignore the stings of the bees, and eat their hit point-healing honey as fast as possible. 4. Laugh with your honey-filled mouth as the bees die after stinging you. 5. Kill the pacifistic queen. 6. Tally up your XP (plus solo-kill bonus for appropriate-level fighters!)
My AD&D experience is less than all-encompassing, so can anybody tell me if he's onto something, no matter how ridiculous it sounds?
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Post by greatwyrm on Apr 23, 2016 11:28:31 GMT -8
While I don't have the books in front of me, I'd be willing to bet you lose hp faster than the honey gives them back.
However, if you tried that with me as a DM, you'd discover your previously unknown and tragic allergy to bee stings.
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Post by The Northman on Apr 30, 2016 16:09:07 GMT -8
Hehe. Yeah, I'm fully aware it wouldn't fly with most experienced DMs, just wondered if his leveling-factory math was correct.
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Post by ayslyn on May 1, 2016 8:07:52 GMT -8
Obviously, without the actual numbers involved, I can only speak generally...
The honey would need to heal high above the average damage the bees would be doing per turn for this to really work. Otherwise, one good streak of high rolls and he's toast.
Now, the real sticking point is who earns points for the "kills".
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Post by uncommonman on May 1, 2016 8:47:53 GMT -8
Now, the real sticking point is who earns points for the "kills". He could claim to have beaten the encounter if all bees die. I am not familiar with the rules but don't you get experience by encounters as well as kills?
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2016 14:12:20 GMT -8
i would rule that such a cheap and easy Victory is worth not a single Experience Point. and please tell me how you survived a Trillion stings that each deal 1d3 piercing damage plus inflict poison on a failed fortitude saving throw.
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Post by ayslyn on May 25, 2016 14:34:25 GMT -8
i would rule that such a cheap and easy Victory is worth not a single Experience Point. and please tell me how you survived a Trillion stings that each deal 1d3 piercing damage plus inflict poison on a failed fortitude saving throw. You really should start reading the posts before you reply... He says it right in the OP. The honey has healing properties. The idea is that the honey heals him enough that he can survive those attacks.
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2016 14:44:38 GMT -8
i would rule that such a cheap and easy Victory is worth not a single Experience Point. and please tell me how you survived a Trillion stings that each deal 1d3 piercing damage plus inflict poison on a failed fortitude saving throw. You really should start reading the posts before you reply... He says it right in the OP. The honey has healing properties. The idea is that the honey heals him enough that he can survive those attacks. i was talking about surviving even with the honey. it the honey healed you to your max hit points the moment you drank from it. you are still taking a trillion attacks at once that each inflict a 1d3 piercing damage and a fortitude save against poison, bees tend to attack in massive groups. and being you are willing to allow these trillion bees from the hive to sting you, that is still 1-3 trillion damage. do you have more than 3 trillion hit points? and can you succeed a trillion DC-13 Fortitude Saves at -2 per consecutive fortitude save? i would just roll 1d3. multiply it by a trillion, and encourage a fortitude save with a DC of 2,000,0000,000,013 to represent that beehives have trillions of bees and the fact you are being stung by a trillion bees at once. enjoy death as a consequence for finding a cheap way to level up.
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Post by ayslyn on May 25, 2016 14:57:32 GMT -8
It's a thought exercise. The point isn't to do the math to see if you can survive. The point was, presuming that you could survive, what would happen.
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2016 15:25:04 GMT -8
if one could survive. they gain nothing in the form of experience and loot. the bees were an insignifficant threat. they got sick on sickeningly sweet honey and have to roll to see if they end up with Type 2 Diabetes from the liver damage caused by consuming that much honey. they can gain bonus Experience for invoking the Diabetes against themselves to make the future fights more challenging. but only if they actually remember to actually apply the penalties afflicted for being diabetic.
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Post by Kainguru on May 25, 2016 15:32:48 GMT -8
Plus it's 2e or EARLIER, no FORTITUDE saves etc . . . the math is different, especially as the POISON save is class, level and (sometimes) race dependent. eg: With 2E a 1st to 3rd level Priest has the best Save vs Poison at a straight 50% (10+), if he's a dwarven Cleric (Generic Priest) with an average constitution of 11-13 that's another +3 bonus to the save - making it a straight 70% chance of success (7+ which is a 30% chance of failure as 6x5=30 given each increment on a D20 is 5%, therefore 100%-30%=70% chance to succeed). Now, what if this priest is a specialty Priest who follows a God that gives additional bonuses to poison saves in lieu of some of the standard Cleric abilities or to compensation for other restrictions?. Though I'd rule that one cannot simply walk in to mordo . . . ah, I mean a hive and just start quaffing the honey when all these bees are attacking you - that'd require some heavy DM adjudication ie: at least an an ability check to see if you can cram it into your mouth with all these distractions eg: dex (coordination) or wisdom (concentration) or even both (if you really want to be a cunt) - better hope they're not a dump stats . . . Now doing that you have a proper challenge. Besides 2e and 1e have experience point calculation charts based on the actual challenge . . . you have always had the option to ditch the MM XP awards in favour of using this chart (starts on p69 Black Edition 2e DMG with several pages of qualifiers) Aaron
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2016 15:50:04 GMT -8
i usually call the poison save a Fortitude Save. because both are interchangeable to me. both are primarily used for saving against poison. though consuming that much honey that quickly inflicts diabetes without a roll, so i would force the rolls, and reward the munchkin with diabetes. there might be XP for getting to the honey unarmored and winning without attacking. but there wouldn't be XP for killing all the bees, because the bees don't offer an Experience point beyond their poison factor.
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2016 15:52:49 GMT -8
there might be additional XP for winning fights despite suffering the penalties of Diabetes. like Winning a Fight with the penalties for having a Low level of Blood Sugar for example.
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Post by ayslyn on May 25, 2016 16:15:04 GMT -8
Unless they acquire Hypoglycemia then in a world without insulin and other medications, then low blood sugar isn't even a little bit of a concern.
Not to mention, one single instance of overindulgence will ever give you diabetes. It takes years of abuse on your body.
So... Your response to someone being a munchkin is.... To be an even bigger munchkin.... Congrats.
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Post by The Northman on May 25, 2016 16:53:04 GMT -8
What have I done? Lol
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