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Post by Stu Venable on Mar 23, 2017 14:08:46 GMT -8
I'm going to call out @stevensw for a Rule 2 violation:
Furthermore, you're running dangerously close to violating Rule 1:
By my figuring, that's two warnings. There won't be a third.
I'm also going to call out sovereigncitizenkane for violating Rule 1 as well, when responding to @stevensw. Violations in response to violations don't defuse the situation, they pour gas on it.
Furthermore: To whoever keeps "reporting" this forum for some BS ToS violation to Proboards: If it happens again, I'll ban you. I might ban a couple bystanders in the process, but I'm damned certain I'll get the right guy as well.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 23, 2017 14:27:36 GMT -8
Stu Venable I apologize. I've been sick for a week and have had little sleep and almost nothing to eat so I'm grumpier than usual. Won't happen again.
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Post by sbloyd on Mar 23, 2017 14:44:28 GMT -8
I find it alarming that the board is being reported to Proboards for TOS violations. I wonder if it's one of the few banned folks doing it?
Aaaaaanyhow. I'm not a big Sabbat fan myself - I always thought they worked better as the oogie-boogies in the shadows, the Other threat to the PCs in the Camarilla, and that by existing as PC options they undermine the "struggle to retain my humanity" that's one of the central pillars of the Vampire game.
But for a good concept? I'd go for it, hook line and sinker.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 23, 2017 14:44:54 GMT -8
Stu Venable , I'm sorry for my role in this, too - I appreciated sovereigncitizenkane defending me, but I didn't want to get anyone into trouble. It sounds as if it might be time to put this thread to rest.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 23, 2017 15:02:45 GMT -8
I'm not a big Sabbat fan myself - I always thought they worked better as the oogie-boogies in the shadows, the Other threat to the PCs in the Camarilla, and that by existing as PC options they undermine the "struggle to retain my humanity" that's one of the central pillars of the Vampire game. But for a good concept? I'd go for it, hook line and sinker. I agree with the struggle to retain Humanity being the central drama. And the struggle to retain humanity while attempting to use a fundamentally inhuman power (used by a notoriously inhuman bloodline?) is kind of the compelling narrative for this character concept for me - which is why I was hoping to get to use it in a Cam game! But I get why it could be a problem for an ST or the Coterie at large. Anyway, hopefully I can find an accommodating ST. Thanks for the encouragement.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 23, 2017 15:23:33 GMT -8
Aaaaaanyhow. I'm not a big Sabbat fan myself - I always thought they worked better as the oogie-boogies in the shadows, the Other threat to the PCs in the Camarilla, and that by existing as PC options they undermine the "struggle to retain my humanity" that's one of the central pillars of the Vampire game. But for a good concept? I'd go for it, hook line and sinker. Yeah, Sabbat are very much the unapologetic monster side of vampires and the few games I've run or played in as Sabbat often degenerate very quickly. I gave it another shot though and am currently doing a game where several shovelheads have survived those first few nights and we're exploring that. Though I will say they're rebelling in a bit much already.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 23, 2017 15:38:48 GMT -8
I'm not a big Sabbat fan myself - I always thought they worked better as the oogie-boogies in the shadows, the Other threat to the PCs in the Camarilla, and that by existing as PC options they undermine the "struggle to retain my humanity" that's one of the central pillars of the Vampire game. But for a good concept? I'd go for it, hook line and sinker. I agree with the struggle to retain Humanity being the central drama. And the struggle to retain humanity while attempting to use a fundamentally inhuman power (used by a notoriously inhuman bloodline?) is kind of the compelling narrative for this character concept for me - which is why I was hoping to get to use it in a Cam game! But I get why it could be a problem for an ST or the Coterie at large. Anyway, hopefully I can find an accommodating ST. Thanks for the encouragement. One thing I'm wondering, with this character, is it the background in the Sabbat or Visicitude itself that interests you in exploring? Because Old Clan may be of more interest in the long run if its not the discipline. They pay lip service to the Sabbat but are likely closer with the True Black Hand. And that could be your in. The True Black Hand planted you there, and either you're a traitor or a a hidden asset. Just to throw it out there.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 23, 2017 16:50:58 GMT -8
sovereigncitizenkane, the original character had inherited his family's estate and had used it to become an agricultural tycoon, and given that he was usually the one who funded his Pack's misadventures, he was poised to become their Abbot. Vicissitude was a big part of his original concept, but not more so than his ties to the land itself, and I could see myself migrating that concept into an Old Clan Tzimisce instead. I will miss the idea of him backcountry fighting with animal claws or bone spikes, though. That was pleasingly appropriate to a Southern Civil-War-era Kindred. The Vicissitude doc concept is, of course, all about that Viciss, but that would be a new direction for this character. From the sound of things, maybe that concept should be for a different character altogether. I'll post about that idea in a moment.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 23, 2017 17:11:15 GMT -8
The Vicissitude doctor as based on that original character (please critique or point out weak logic/infeasible ideas):
The PC would have been a revenge or political Embrace - namely, the PC's Sire (Tzimisce or otherwise) would have Embraced him to steal him from an enemy (or rival) Kindred, who had Ghouled him with the intent of making him, the heir to his family's estate; the human face of the operation while the Kindred pulled the strings behind the curtain. The PC's Sire would kidnap him, Embrace him and, after throwing the fact of it in his enemy's face, would make him his apprentice, forcing him to practice Vicissitude by helping him transform his ancestral estate's slave and servant population into war ghouls. In secret the PC would practice turning them back. Eventually he would escape, possibly faking his death, and would attempt to shake his Sire by always staying on the move. After some time spent as a railroad doctor, eventually he would settle (maybe in LA), set up a medical practice, hire and Ghoul staff, and build a fortune. He would try to remain independent but would accept protection if needed. The possibility of eventually reclaiming his family's estate remains a blunted desire, but it could reawaken if he saw the opportunity.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 23, 2017 17:23:36 GMT -8
My personal interpretation of Old Clan is that they are much more tied to the land of their making. They don't have to worry about the whole Path of Metamorphosis bit. So if you're not married to Viccisitude you might try Old Clan.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 23, 2017 17:53:46 GMT -8
sovereigncitizenkane, thanks for indulging my lengthy character backstories. I'll look into Old Clan and the True Black Hand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 22:02:05 GMT -8
I'm going to call out @stevensw for a Rule 2 violation:
Furthermore, you're running dangerously close to violating Rule 1:
I really just want to address rule 1 (because I see why you are calling on rule 2, even if I don't agree with it). I didn't call anyone names or insult them. I called an idea (that I put forth, not someone else), horseshit. Maybe that was negative, but I don't see how it can be construed as bullying someone else. It's your forum, so you can really do whatever you want. I just want you to know that I'm not the one reporting the forum to proboards. I believe everyone should get their say, even negative people like me, because that's how free speech and the sharing of ideas works. I strongly side with Voltaire when it comes to any such manner. Even if you banned me, I would not report the forum. That's just not how I roll. I hope you catch the guy whose doing it.
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