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Post by Starteller on Jun 10, 2017 22:35:40 GMT -8
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Post by Starteller on Jun 10, 2017 22:38:02 GMT -8
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fredrix
Master Douchebag
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Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
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Post by fredrix on Jun 10, 2017 23:12:18 GMT -8
I believe stork was involved in that show
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 10, 2017 23:30:13 GMT -8
I mean it's a fun watch for it's campiness, but they really should have read the rule books before making the show. Toreadors and Ventrue showing up to a rumble with baseball bats and and chains against Brujah, Brujah acting like Giovanni, Gangrel acting like Brujah, Nosferatu with Dominate, and not following any of the rules of Dominate. Not to mention all the light. It was so bright all the time.
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Post by Starteller on Jun 10, 2017 23:44:42 GMT -8
Toreadors and Ventrue showing up to a rumble with baseball bats and and chains against Brujah, Brujah acting like Giovanni, Gangrel acting like Brujah, Nosferatu with Dominate, and not following any of the rules of Dominate. Not to mention all the light. It was so bright all the time. "Toreadors and Ventrue showing up to a rumble with baseball bats and and chains against Brujah" That's psychological warfare. Samurai used to do the same by fighting with their sword sheathed. "You are so weak I can beat you with that" "Brujah acting like Giovanni" That was the personality of the leader. If you remember at the end thing was changing because of the new leader. "Gangrel acting like Brujah" They only do that to avenge one of their clan being murdered. It is temporary. They say so right at the beginning. "Nosferatu with Dominate" Any vampire can learn dominate. He was an old Nosferatu. It is just an out of clan discipline. "It was so bright all the time" Film budget. It is more expensive to film at night and in the dark. With today CGI it would be easier www.youtube.com/results?search_query=changing+day+to+night
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 11, 2017 0:08:13 GMT -8
They're not Samurai though, they're Toreador's and Ventrue, and they're not going to fool Brujah like that.
It was more than the personality of one leader. The mannerisms of the entire group fell well outside of any Brujah.
The Gangrel certainly acted more like Brujah through the series than the Brujah did. and for something being tempory, they sure stay with it through the whole series.
The sabbat-like Nosferatu also had it, and as far as I can remember the Ventrue never once showed signs of using any mental disciplines, including Dominate.
I know it was a budget thing, which adds to the campiness. It's a fun thing to watch and laugh at but it falls very far from the source material.
Also, in the show Vampires can go out in the sun if they have fed recently (sure budget issues, but the point stands). Mesmerize without eye contact and being able to completely overwrite survival instinct. Sex being frequent and enjoyable, at least for some of them. Taking on jobs that require them to be available during the day quite frequently.
Again, fun watch but it suffers from the problems of a low budget and falls short of the source material in a lot of places. It focuses a bit too much on the sex parts and almost handwaves the "monster masquerading as humans" part. I like it for a laugh and am happy that a tv show was made at all, I just don't see it as living up to its potential, even with the small budget.
EDIT: I totally forgot the Ventrue Prince uses Protean 3 at one point
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Post by Starteller on Jun 11, 2017 0:30:28 GMT -8
"They're not Samurai though, they're Toreador's and Ventrue, and they're not going to fool Brujah like that." Vampires have human brain. It is working the same way. It's psychological warfare. The samurai was an example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare"The Gangrel certainly acted more like Brujah through the series than the Brujah did. and for something being tempory, they sure stay with it through the whole series." The "series" last within a couple of days. "am happy that a tv show was made at all" That is the most important
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 11, 2017 0:54:25 GMT -8
I don't think there's an actual timeline ever given which is par for the course with Aaron Spelling series. I think this review does a good job of highlighting the natural problems with the series, as well as where it begins to make it's own mythology, like Nosferatu being the first vampires and all other descending from them or some such thing. ferretbrain.com/articles/article-998I always found it odd that Frankels death ended the show considering it might have as well been called the Julian Luna show.
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Post by mook on Jun 11, 2017 2:28:51 GMT -8
Totally fun show! I've watched through many times and, not being a continuity purist nor a die-hard V:tM fan, it was all good times for me. I think many of the problems stem from reducing the number of clans from 13 to, what, five or six? Pretty sure it did better in ratings than Buffy did when it premiered, and that got seven seasons! Would have been a fun ride, I think.
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Post by Starteller on Jun 11, 2017 4:52:34 GMT -8
I don't think there's an actual timeline ever given which is par for the course with Aaron Spelling series. How long do you think it takes to give an autopsy report in a murder investigation? You should rewatch the "series" and see the whole "series" is just a couple of days
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Post by natebob on Jun 11, 2017 5:51:05 GMT -8
I loved the show and was sad when it was cancelled.
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Post by Probie Tim on Jun 11, 2017 15:31:19 GMT -8
Great show. I have a boxed set which includes all sorts of V:tM style goodies.
I would NOT recommend it for a neophyte V:tM player, however. Too many things in there that aren't represented in current V:tM. Most egregious (in comparison) being that fully-fed vampires can go out during the day. While that may have been a "thing" in the rules which older versions, it's not in V20.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 11, 2017 16:34:30 GMT -8
Great show. I have a boxed set which includes all sorts of V:tM style goodies. I would NOT recommend it for a neophyte V:tM player, however. Too many things in there that aren't represented in current V:tM. Most egregious (in comparison) being that fully-fed vampires can go out during the day. While that may have been a "thing" in the rules which older versions, it's not in V20. Been super lethal since 1st. Show ignores a lot of the mythos.
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Post by Starteller on Jun 11, 2017 16:55:35 GMT -8
The only thing I didn't like was the story with the Nosferatu and the sick boy. If he had the potion why he didn't just give it to him from the beginning? The story should be about the dilemma of turning the boy or let him die. This is the same thing about Lord of the Ring and the Giant Eagles that help Frodo bringing the ring straight to the volcano but only and the end Probably someone intervened to have a "good" ending
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 11, 2017 17:02:29 GMT -8
I don't think there's an actual timeline ever given which is par for the course with Aaron Spelling series. How long do you think it takes to give an autopsy report in a murder investigation? You should rewatch the "series" and see the whole "series" is just a couple of days Which autopsy are you talking about? Because the autopsy of Stevie Ray took place in the Pilot. There's seven episodes after that, that go monster of the week style. I mean if you want to go that route, how long do you think an Internal Affairs investigation takes, because that's part of the plot of the second episode. Episode 6, Lily hire a PI that brings her a full investigation in less than an episode. I just watched through Episode 7, counting daylight and darkness times, and it came out to that episode alone taking 5 days, at minimum. Episode 8 was also over five days if the night and days transitions are to be trusted. I honestly don't get where you're basing the timeline on an autopsy that took place at in the first episode of an eight episode series.
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