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Post by Stu Venable on Dec 23, 2017 23:00:23 GMT -8
Finally saw it.
I cheered when Snoke was killed. I, for one, am sick and tired of villains being played by mo-cap CGI golems. Seriously.
Do directors not have enough faith in their actors to play a convincing villain? I don’t get it. There was no reason for Snoke to be CGI. It could have easily been an actor in good makeup.
And they HAD to kill Snoke. He had WAY too much screen time to remain an ominous figure.
The Leia thing in the vacuum of space bugged me until I thought, “that’s right, this is ‘science’ fiction with space wizards. Never mind. That’s fine.”
I thought the stuff between Laura Dern’s character and Poe was very well-done. Poe is low on the totem pole, and this is a military organization, right? Shut up and follow orders. It showed him to be a flawed, pompous tool. If I have any criticism of how that’s played out, it’s that he wasn’t thrown in the brig.
I do like that they distanced themselves from the Force=disease thing. I aways said the best thing ordinary people could do would be to give every Sith and Jedi a nice big dose of Cyprofloxicin and be done with the whole thing.
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Post by Stu Venable on Dec 23, 2017 23:11:40 GMT -8
On the whole, I enjoyed it. It was definitely darker that I expected. They took a page from Rogue One (which is my favorite Star Wars film to date — I still think Clone Wars was the best stuff ever done with the setting).
And if you’re drawing parallels between Eps 4-6 and 7-9, Episode 8 SHOULD be darker.
Also, regarding plot holes: the LOOOONG space chase between the fleet and the one cruiser? The films have never shown Imperial (or First Order) officers being very good at tactics. Why did they drop the AT-ATs and the big sled gun (apparently, no one in Star Wars has invented wheels yet) MILES from the target?
I don’t know. Why did they drop a bunch of AT-ATs so far away from the base on Hoth?
Same dumb reason I suppose.
If I was an Imperial commander, I’d drop that shit right on the doorstep of the rebel bases and blow up their fighters has they come pouring out. But that would make for a short movie.
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Post by Kainguru on Dec 24, 2017 2:31:31 GMT -8
Also, regarding plot holes: the LOOOONG space chase between the fleet and the one cruiser? The films have never shown Imperial (or First Order) officers being very good at tactics. Why did they drop the AT-ATs and the big sled gun (apparently, no one in Star Wars has invented wheels yet) MILES from the target? Why have wheels when you can have two big grappy hand things to drag stuff along. How many people noticed the 'crawling fingers' that dragged the miniaturized DeathStar tech across the salt flats? However, I always assumed they had to drop walkers etc away from a target so they could get them deployed first ie: checked for damage during transit, geared up, crewed and unwrapped from transport mode. Like when you have to unlock your old record turntable after moving - the little screw thingy that stops the plate wobbling around during transit - and then reset the suspension and rotation speed*. I imagine such tech would, similarly, be prepped to protect it during a planet drop. Aaron *and, yes, I am channeling a by gone age with that analogy
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Post by akavidar on Dec 24, 2017 2:47:04 GMT -8
I have to say The Last Jedi is certainly making me think more than most films have, unfortunately the more I think about it, the more disappointed I am in the movie. I am not sure why that is. Like the entire Casino thing is in there to tell us how terrible arms manufacturers are. Did they really need half an hour to tell us that?
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Post by chronovore on Dec 24, 2017 7:53:39 GMT -8
I've seen more chatter over The Last Jedi than I ever saw about The Force Awakens. The latter has some interesting modernizations on SW's old themes, but it's still very formulaic. The former has taken many more chances, and has been surprisingly divisive! Very few people seem to be "meh" about it, they either were very disappointed in it or very excited by it. I think this, in itself, is reason enough to hope for the movies.
Well, I should say Rian's upcoming non-Skywalker Star Wars trilogy. With JJ Abrams heading up the Ep. IX effort, we will probably see a play-it-safe finale to this trilogy.
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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Dec 24, 2017 7:59:43 GMT -8
Why did they drop the AT-ATs and the big sled gun (apparently, no one in Star Wars has invented wheels yet) MILES from the target? I don’t know. Why did they drop a bunch of AT-ATs so far away from the base on Hoth? Same dumb reason I suppose. If I was an Imperial commander, I’d drop that shit right on the doorstep of the rebel bases and blow up their fighters has they come pouring out. But that would make for a short movie. Don't they do just that with AT-AT transports in Rebels? There are several episodes where a massive ship has two walkers on their wings, swoops down, and drops them in the most inconvenient places for our heroes. I imagine they walk them up for the same reason you don't just parachute troops into hot warzone: they might get shot down on the way down. That excuse works for Hoth but Crait base had no obvious external air defense that we could see. But as long as we are talking strategy, if you know where your enemy is and you have several carrier ships with functional weapons that we saw can fire from orbit with accuracy then why send anyone at all?
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Post by akavidar on Dec 24, 2017 8:45:08 GMT -8
Why did they drop the AT-ATs and the big sled gun (apparently, no one in Star Wars has invented wheels yet) MILES from the target? I don’t know. Why did they drop a bunch of AT-ATs so far away from the base on Hoth? Same dumb reason I suppose. If I was an Imperial commander, I’d drop that shit right on the doorstep of the rebel bases and blow up their fighters has they come pouring out. But that would make for a short movie. Don't they do just that with AT-AT transports in Rebels? There are several episodes where a massive ship has two walkers on their wings, swoops down, and drops them in the most inconvenient places for our heroes. I imagine they walk them up for the same reason you don't just parachute troops into hot warzone: they might get shot down on the way down. That excuse works for Hoth but Crait base had no obvious external air defense that we could see. But as long as we are talking strategy, if you know where your enemy is and you have several carrier ships with functional weapons that we saw can fire from orbit with accuracy then why send anyone at all? As they say "Dust off, and Nuke it from orbit!" But not a good movie makes.
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Post by greatwyrm on Dec 24, 2017 10:44:43 GMT -8
But as long as we are talking strategy, if you know where your enemy is and you have several carrier ships with functional weapons that we saw can fire from orbit with accuracy then why send anyone at all? A couple of reasons. First, they seem to be good at sneaking away to survive. We all acknowledge James Bond's villains are dumb for putting him in a deathtrap and then going off for tea, but that't just a smaller version of bombing from orbit and assuming the best. Second, and probably more practical, a ground assault gives you the chance to recover data on possible allies and methods. The First Order didn't know EVERYBODY left was in that mine. You have to do the due diligence to track down loose ends. On an unrelated note, if Phasma doesn't come back as a Vader-like reconstruction, it'll be the only thing that I'm genuinely upset about with these movies. We never see the body. Kylo Ren needs a hench-person he can count on. It's too easy to pass up.
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Post by akavidar on Dec 24, 2017 12:14:28 GMT -8
A Chrome Vader? Has Phasma shown any force sensitivity?
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Post by blydddreug on Dec 24, 2017 15:57:52 GMT -8
I've seen more chatter over The Last Jedi than I ever saw about The Force Awakens. The latter has some interesting modernizations on SW's old themes, but it's still very formulaic. The former has taken many more chances, and has been surprisingly divisive! Very few people seem to be "meh" about it, they either were very disappointed in it or very excited by it. I think this, in itself, is reason enough to hope for the movies. Well, I should say Rian's upcoming non-Skywalker Star Wars trilogy. With JJ Abrams heading up the Ep. IX effort, we will probably see a play-it-safe finale to this trilogy. It's all formulaic - that's exactly the point. I'm dumb enough to keep spending money on the same regurgitated tripe I shouldn't bitch... BUT, my gripe is that movies like this get so much attention mostly because we have such fond memories of them as kids. It's the same with all the comic book movies and TV shows that have been continuously churned out. If we're lucky we might get a fresh treatment of the same old storylines and characters we loved once upon a time. I think this is why I enjoyed Rogue One so much It was basically a WWII French Resistance film dressed up in the Star Wars universe. This is also why I've enjoyed TFA and TLJ so little - they were bits and pieces of episode 4, 5, & 6 with different characters, new droids, new ships and the same old storylines.
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Post by Stu Venable on Dec 24, 2017 16:51:21 GMT -8
A Chrome Vader? Has Phasma shown any force sensitivity? They can give her a midichlorian shot...
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Post by Stu Venable on Dec 24, 2017 16:53:21 GMT -8
I've seen more chatter over The Last Jedi than I ever saw about The Force Awakens. The latter has some interesting modernizations on SW's old themes, but it's still very formulaic. The former has taken many more chances, and has been surprisingly divisive! Very few people seem to be "meh" about it, they either were very disappointed in it or very excited by it. I think this, in itself, is reason enough to hope for the movies. Well, I should say Rian's upcoming non-Skywalker Star Wars trilogy. With JJ Abrams heading up the Ep. IX effort, we will probably see a play-it-safe finale to this trilogy. It's all formulaic - that's exactly the point. I'm dumb enough to keep spending money on the same regurgitated tripe I shouldn't bitch... BUT, my gripe is that movies like this get so much attention mostly because we have such fond memories of them as kids. It's the same with all the comic book movies and TV shows that have been continuously churned out. If we're lucky we might get a fresh treatment of the same old storylines and characters we loved once upon a time. I think this is why I enjoyed Rogue One so much It was basically a WWII French Resistance film dressed up in the Star Wars universe. This is also why I've enjoyed TFA and TLJ so little - they were bits and pieces of episode 4, 5, & 6 with different characters, new droids, new ships and the same old storylines. I see Rogue One as a Kurosawa film. It’s a story of noble sacrifice, with the best droid ever.
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Post by blydddreug on Dec 24, 2017 19:06:26 GMT -8
It's all formulaic - that's exactly the point. I'm dumb enough to keep spending money on the same regurgitated tripe I shouldn't bitch... BUT, my gripe is that movies like this get so much attention mostly because we have such fond memories of them as kids. It's the same with all the comic book movies and TV shows that have been continuously churned out. If we're lucky we might get a fresh treatment of the same old storylines and characters we loved once upon a time. I think this is why I enjoyed Rogue One so much It was basically a WWII French Resistance film dressed up in the Star Wars universe. This is also why I've enjoyed TFA and TLJ so little - they were bits and pieces of episode 4, 5, & 6 with different characters, new droids, new ships and the same old storylines. I see Rogue One as a Kurosawa film. It’s a story of noble sacrifice, with the best droid ever. Kurosawa or French Resistance - either one is an improvement over the crank 'em out sequel machine we have now!
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Post by akavidar on Dec 24, 2017 19:11:05 GMT -8
It's all formulaic - that's exactly the point. I'm dumb enough to keep spending money on the same regurgitated tripe I shouldn't bitch... BUT, my gripe is that movies like this get so much attention mostly because we have such fond memories of them as kids. It's the same with all the comic book movies and TV shows that have been continuously churned out. If we're lucky we might get a fresh treatment of the same old storylines and characters we loved once upon a time. I think this is why I enjoyed Rogue One so much It was basically a WWII French Resistance film dressed up in the Star Wars universe. This is also why I've enjoyed TFA and TLJ so little - they were bits and pieces of episode 4, 5, & 6 with different characters, new droids, new ships and the same old storylines. I see Rogue One as a Kurosawa film. It’s a story of noble sacrifice, with the best droid ever. It's funny, just before I logged on here I re watched Rogue One in an attempt to clear The Last Jedi out of my brain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 2:25:31 GMT -8
I actually think Rogue One is why we got the bomber and slow chase sequences, those are both lifted from war movies with little thought as to how will they'd work in space.
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