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Post by stork on Feb 14, 2018 8:54:34 GMT -8
Like whodo said, this is Stu's Rokugan not mine, but one thing keeps bugging me a lot. You guys are no longer "Hida" "Isawa" or "Shiba" you are "Inukai" or more aptly "Asahina"(IIRC they are the patron family of the Inukai vassals, yes?). In non-Crane company, you would refer to yourselves as Asahina Ichiro and not Isawa or even Inukai. In Crane company, it would be entirely appropriate to refer to yourselves as Inukai Ichiro, etc. In Rokugan, the family is the most important thing. Having been made ronin, it would be a great insult to your former clan to keep using those names or mons and would likely result in being challenged to a duel. Thanks for this note, I for one have been a little puzzled on how to handle this. My take was former Ronin always have a stigma attached to them, even if accepted into a new clan. And in this occasion, we were accepted so we could be sent out on a suicide mission, so the circumstances of our acceptance is a bit unorthodox, but, as Stu set up, this particular family has a tradition of accepting Ronin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 14:05:06 GMT -8
So my take on being ronin is that when you are accepted into another clan you pledge yourself to it completely so to show/remind people you were once of another clan is a big breach of etiquette. It's basically saying that you still harbour loyalties to another and that your new family can't trust you. In the grand scheme of things, I tend to think of the individual Clans as equivalent to small medieval nation-states, with associated levels of xenophobia towards other Clans and ideas of what constitutes treason.
As for former ronin having a stigma then I'd say that yes, they probably do but again, bringing up the fact that you were once ronin is a breach of etiquette and extremely rude. Secondly, my question would be who would know you were once ronin? Even within the Inukai there are likely to be hundreds (if not thousands) of samurai spread over the lands they control. Only a small number of those will know who you are and how you joined the family. Once you get outside the Inukai the number is going to be even smaller, probably only the immediate superiors in the larger Asahina family and for them you're most likely to be little more than a name on a ledger somewhere (unless you do something to draw their attention).
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Post by SirGuido on Feb 14, 2018 17:53:36 GMT -8
Like whodo said, this is Stu's Rokugan not mine, but one thing keeps bugging me a lot. You guys are no longer "Hida" "Isawa" or "Shiba" you are "Inukai" or more aptly "Asahina"(IIRC they are the patron family of the Inukai vassals, yes?). In non-Crane company, you would refer to yourselves as Asahina Ichiro and not Isawa or even Inukai. In Crane company, it would be entirely appropriate to refer to yourselves as Inukai Ichiro, etc. In Rokugan, the family is the most important thing. Having been made ronin, it would be a great insult to your former clan to keep using those names or mons and would likely result in being challenged to a duel. Thanks for this note, I for one have been a little puzzled on how to handle this. My take was former Ronin always have a stigma attached to them, even if accepted into a new clan. And in this occasion, we were accepted so we could be sent out on a suicide mission, so the circumstances of our acceptance is a bit unorthodox, but, as Stu set up, this particular family has a tradition of accepting Ronin. There would definitely be a slight stigma attached to having been a ronin... IF THEY KNOW IT. Most people would not know it, however, because your new clan wouldn't really want to advertise it so they will likely not say anything. You also, would not want to advertise it, so obviously wouldn't say anything. And as Whodo said above, saying so is actually kinda rude to your new clan. So for all intents and purposes, you are now fully Crane. If someone else does know that you are former ronin and they make it a point of saying so in public its a slight to the honor of you and your new clan/family. I say this only because its kind of a core thing in the setting, and not just an interpretation. Another thing I noticed today in listening to this episode was the fear of the weapons being tainted after touching tainted blood. That's not really how it works. It takes a huge amount of spellwork and ritual to taint a katana. Part of what makes a katana so honorable in this setting is that it is a combination of all the elements. Earth for the steel, fire for the forging, water for the quenching, air for the tempering, and void from the smith for its "soul". I mean if Stu wants that to be different in his Rokugan, thats fine, but in the story of the game its not at all necessary to cleanse your weapons after fighting the Taint.(*snicker*)
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Post by Stu Venable on Feb 14, 2018 20:07:01 GMT -8
While I don't disagree with anything above, the Inukai have a tradition of accepting ronin. The family was founded by ronin when they were accepted as vassals of the Asahina.
While there are certainly loads of "native" Inukai, a large portion are former ronin, and this is widely known. Other clans especially, if they've heard of the Inukai (which may or may not be the case) they are likely to know this.
As far as presenting themselves as Asahina when meeting other clans, well, let's just say that the Asahina, being known for their pacifism, might not mind this Murder-Hobo vassal family distinguishing themselves from Asahina when meeting strangers...
Though, with recent political events, the reluctance of the Inukai to join in the total war embroiling the Great Clans has probably elevated the Inukai in the eyes of the Asahina. Also, the whole Asahina family is on Domotai's shit list anyway.
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Post by akavidar on Feb 15, 2018 4:47:37 GMT -8
Like whodo said, this is Stu's Rokugan not mine, but one thing keeps bugging me a lot. You guys are no longer "Hida" "Isawa" or "Shiba" you are "Inukai" or more aptly "Asahina"(IIRC they are the patron family of the Inukai vassals, yes?). In non-Crane company, you would refer to yourselves as Asahina Ichiro and not Isawa or even Inukai. In Crane company, it would be entirely appropriate to refer to yourselves as Inukai Ichiro, etc. In Rokugan, the family is the most important thing. Having been made ronin, it would be a great insult to your former clan to keep using those names or mons and would likely result in being challenged to a duel. Thanks for this note, I for one have been a little puzzled on how to handle this. My take was former Ronin always have a stigma attached to them, even if accepted into a new clan. And in this occasion, we were accepted so we could be sent out on a suicide mission, so the circumstances of our acceptance is a bit unorthodox, but, as Stu set up, this particular family has a tradition of accepting Ronin. Um, actually, Stork, Your Inukai Daimyo was very specific that he had more tasks for you, and he wanted all of you back from this mission.
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Post by Stu Venable on Feb 15, 2018 10:46:52 GMT -8
Thanks for this note, I for one have been a little puzzled on how to handle this. My take was former Ronin always have a stigma attached to them, even if accepted into a new clan. And in this occasion, we were accepted so we could be sent out on a suicide mission, so the circumstances of our acceptance is a bit unorthodox, but, as Stu set up, this particular family has a tradition of accepting Ronin. Um, actually, Stork, Your Inukai Daimyo was very specific that he had more tasks for you, and he wanted all of you back from this mission. You are correct!
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