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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 5, 2012 13:10:46 GMT -8
The Dungeon Masters was a travesty for the hobby. Since it was more "reality TV" than documentary, they picked the weirdest, most broken people they could find to showcase as representatives of the hobby.
I actually regret having spent money to see it, as I resent that the douchebags that made it have my money. Fuckers.
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Sept 5, 2012 13:31:04 GMT -8
Yet that got funded.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 5, 2012 14:03:04 GMT -8
Well, we can hope whoever fronted the money never got it all back.
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 5, 2012 16:15:21 GMT -8
The DungeonMasters wasn't promoted in the UK at all . . . It just popped up randomly one day in the documentary section of my LoveFilm on demand account (similar to Netflix). Broken people . . . It was a horrid sort of fascination at how dysfunctional they were as people, the fact that they were gamers was almost incidental.
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Sept 5, 2012 20:33:30 GMT -8
The DungeonMasters wasn't promoted in the UK at all . . . It just popped up randomly one day in the documentary section of my LoveFilm on demand account (similar to Netflix). Broken people . . . It was a horrid sort of fascination at how dysfunctional they were as people, the fact that they were gamers was almost incidental. I just remember all the work Gary Gygax did to try and dispell what that documentary reinforced. And I remember what it cost him in the end.
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Sept 10, 2012 20:28:44 GMT -8
Some lizardman nicknamed wrecan just posted support on his Wizard's Community blog. I have no idea who this lizardman is and no interest to register myself all over the Intertubes. (sorry Blogger, Facebook, Google +, SnowshoeHoneyRabbits, etc, but IT technicians who actually know what they're doing in Poland and do not make the problem worse when a computer goes down are very expensive when/if they can be found so I need a system running on minimal software interconnections, potential conflicts and open backdoors.)
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Sept 11, 2012 13:53:51 GMT -8
100G's tonight. Paizo CEO has come out in favour.
The sound you hear is my laughter. Up WotC!
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 12, 2012 0:55:02 GMT -8
100G's tonight. Paizo CEO has come out in favour. The sound you hear is my laughter. Up WotC! It's getting all too common now Paizo act while WoTC just stand around scratching and sniffing each others butts . . . at this rate I wouldn't surprised if Paizo do something clever with the OGL to trump D&D Next prior to it's release (Advanced Pathfinder?). This simple gesture from Paizo has let the kickstarter gain momentum . . . it's gained more in the last 36 hours than all the days gone before . . .
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Post by malifer on Sept 12, 2012 6:02:29 GMT -8
100G's tonight. Paizo CEO has come out in favour. The sound you hear is my laughter. Up WotC! It's getting all too common now Paizo act while WoTC just stand around scratching and sniffing each others butts . . . at this rate I wouldn't surprised if Paizo do something clever with the OGL to trump D&D Next prior to it's release (Advanced Pathfinder?). This simple gesture from Paizo has let the kickstarter gain momentum . . . it's gained more in the last 36 hours than all the days gone before . . . Pathfinder Previous?!
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Sept 16, 2012 23:41:37 GMT -8
Pathfinder made a very strong showing in terms of their community support. There are allot of Paizophiles/Pathfinders out there. I have to wonder if, because of WotC's culture of fear, they believe their community - the eMail addresses they have - are duds. They were concerned about sending out a form letter like Lisa Stevens did but having very little response in return.
Without question, Paizo put this thing over the top. Every backer knows it, whether they were a Pathfinder player before or not.... Dragonsfoot.org peeps know it. So much for getting them on board with D&DNext. Those grognards have a long memory.
Now we will see how Lisa Stevens spends that goodwill.
Apparently the film makers had no publicity support. I am rather surprised by that. In my frame of mind I thought, I certainly believed, there was some pro bono help. But no. A few blogs came out in favour at the beginning but the effort snowballed right up to the very end, which is unfortunately why a media schedule is important. Tipping the scale at 195G's, this project could have been better promoted after looking at all the support that appeared in the dwindling last hours. There are blogs that have yet to be read, which support this project. But it is too late now. The wicket is closed.
And this brings me to my concern. These guys, by their own admission, need 500G's (low ball) to complete the project. The 200,000 they have will go toward buying archived footage and sundry expenses for interviews. It will not go to post-production. So, by that admission, I wonder what will ship as final product to backers.
You really cannot go back to the well twice. They now need backers for post-production. Not sure how they are going to do that or where they are going to find new backers if their marketing PR is non-existent....
I think they should have just sucked it up and said they need 5oo,ooo to complete the whole project and let the chips fall where they may. Usually, honesty (including self-honesty) is the best way.
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Post by malifer on Sept 17, 2012 4:20:05 GMT -8
The 500k was for Festival distribution and marketing.
They said the need 250k to Edit, Mix, etc. and 150k to shoot the rest of the movie and pay the crew.
So they are a little closer than you think and if people are willing to work cheap they might be able to scrape by and get a finished edit.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 17, 2012 11:06:34 GMT -8
I do not understand why you would have a kickstarter with a funding goal that falls short of a completed project.
This makes zero sense to me.
If you can get it shot, edited, mixed and mastered, you can, at the very least, hope for a negative pickup that might result in distribution.
Coming up with a dollar figure that falls short of producing a finished product seems like a bad miscalculation.
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 17, 2012 11:32:00 GMT -8
I was under the impression they could complete the project with the stated goal BUT with MORE they could access additional archive footage to add to the finished product and/or give it additional "polish" so to speak in post-production.
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Post by kaitoujuliet on Sept 19, 2012 11:43:45 GMT -8
I suppose they'll do extra fundraising outside of Kickstarter for the editing, mixing, etc. The amount raised through Kickstarter just affects the amount of outside support they'll need to go after.
On the other hand, if they'd set their Kickstarter goal for the amount needed to do everything, they wouldn't have made their goal, and then they wouldn't have gotten anything.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 19, 2012 12:24:09 GMT -8
Or maybe more people would have donated if they were short of their higher goal?
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