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Post by CreativeCowboy on Feb 23, 2013 0:14:46 GMT -8
There was some discussion about how people act towards one another in the game that I think this little 7-minute spoken word poem video explains. Stu summed that these people are basically making up for their own deficiency in lording over new players and I would concur. Anyways, I see the connection between those players and what many of us can feel inside this video. It may be easy for us to understand why some of us would drop out of school, and stay indoors rather than go out, which is why we do not as easily understand why the lords of the game cannot grok how their behaviour can cause people to avoid our hobby altogether. Like my good friend Pedro Carmichael might say: there's allot of life impacting here. original source: www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1168616My love for RPGs goes back to a golden age where I recall them as a social refuge, a safe funhouse, where misfits and cast-offs, like me, were welcome. I also think there are more of us today then there were back then - which makes all the industry and hobby talk about a shrinking market and a niche hobby troubling to my ear.
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Post by HyveMynd on Feb 23, 2013 20:08:40 GMT -8
I think something's up with the file. iTunes won't download it, and I can't get it to play from the website either.
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Post by inflatus on Feb 23, 2013 20:24:50 GMT -8
I think something's up with the file. iTunes won't download it, and I can't get it to play from the website either. Me neither.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 22:34:29 GMT -8
Long time listener, first time IT troubleshooter (for this site anyway)...
Firefox tells me it can't find episode "12", but it does see an episode "13" elsewhere on the site. Downloaded it and confirmed it is the missing "12", just mislabeled. So it looks like the link -- what iTunes & the homepage direct link both seem to be looking for -- was fat-fingered and not connected to the time-traveling episode "13". Match them up and it should solve the issue...or end the Universe when the convergence of Higgs bosons creates a warp bubble that births a new universe inside our own, thus ending all we know.
I leave the responsibility in your capable, if douchy, hands. Good luck, we're all counting on you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 22:47:20 GMT -8
UPDATE: episode "13" is also less than 60 mins. and cuts out in the middle of a discussion of "Shaolin Soccer"...maybe a bad edit made it into the stream?
Hopefully there's a backup, as I've missed Kimmy...and Bruce too, though not for the same reasons.
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Post by rickno7 on Feb 24, 2013 1:31:17 GMT -8
Thanks again for reading my email on the show.
I guess I should have clarified "make the horror story shorter" because I could have tripled the details of it. Sorry the rest of it was long. Kimi, I'm sorry but you lose your bet. The dominatrix was indeed a female in real life, and the girlfriend of the fighter.
I remember asking the GM what does the player do when they die. He responded that "you roll up a new character". So I asked him does the new character show up in the jail cells? He said "yes". So I chose my buddy, yelled "let's fight to the death" Stabbed myself with the weapon handed to me and walked out. As I exited I heard the horrible player tell my buddy "forfeits don't count, find someone else"
The bad game did give me new found self confidence in my own abilities as a GM. Self confidence is something I was lacking at that age. "If you're having fun, you're doing it right", well over 50% of the players walked out on that group, never to return. That would be the opposite of "doing it right", and I know I'll never be that "wrong". Less than a year later 3rd Edition hit, and with my new confidence, I had many long campaigns with some cool people that still sneak into my games here and there even today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 2:43:28 GMT -8
UPDATE: episode "13" is also less than 60 mins. and cuts out in the middle of a discussion of "Shaolin Soccer"...maybe a bad edit made it into the stream? Hopefully there's a backup, as I've missed Kimmy...and Bruce too, though not for the same reasons. I think you may have caught it while it was still uploading as it's coming in as the full episode for me though it is still listed as episode 13 as opposed to 12
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Feb 24, 2013 2:44:57 GMT -8
Hi rickno7, Just to make a point about this wishy-washy "no wrong way to play" panic to sell game books that's promulgated by the money makers (and not an attempt by me to take the piss on you): "If you're having fun, you're doing it right", well over 50% of the players walked out on that group, never to return. That would be the opposite of "doing it right" No, whine the whiners, that would only prove 50% of his players were judgemental and unfair douche bags to him because they should know there is "no wrong way to play." You should be able to play any system with anyone if they agree to be your players (hence players leaving means they are douche bags who break this implied social agreement). Look! It explicitly implies that right on the tin. I want to play an omniscient megalomaniac because I am a powerless loser in real life and role-playing is designed to let me play a character different than my character in real life so I GM. That is "fun" for me same as your fantasy to be whatever character you want to portray. That's why I learned all the standardized rules so I could effectively play my omniscient megalomaniac GM without worry about any player common sense in my game in the first place. "And if all of you were not such douche bags, you'd understand: there is no wrong way to play. "There are some people in the hobby, some of whom are very vocal within the industry, who should have never received an RPG game book without adult supervision to begin with. Those people should be told there is, indeed, an empirically wrong way to play. And they should be publicly beaten with that objective yardstick as examples that - might - possibly draw in new players who are new-to-the-hobby.
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Feb 24, 2013 2:54:54 GMT -8
I think something's up with the file. iTunes won't download it, and I can't get it to play from the website either. "Season 09 Episode 12" appears as download fail on WinAmp.
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Post by sean on Feb 24, 2013 7:05:18 GMT -8
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Post by Stu Venable on Feb 24, 2013 9:43:08 GMT -8
Thanks for the heads-up. It should be fixed now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 11:00:01 GMT -8
Yep...iTunes just auto-loaded it and all looks good. Back to drunken RPG goodness!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 11:19:32 GMT -8
To be fair to gamers and other geeks, the "you're doing it wrong" problem exists within any pastime, profession, or vocation about which people are passionate. Historians, architects, musicians, sports fans, UX designers, cartoonists, etc. can be haters, too!
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Post by jazzisblues on Feb 25, 2013 11:51:52 GMT -8
To be fair to gamers and other geeks, the "you're doing it wrong" problem exists within any pastime, profession, or vocation about which people are passionate. Historians, architects, musicians, sports fans, UX designers, cartoonists, etc. can be haters, too! You are very right. I think that because we've all experienced to some greater or lesser degree the slings and arrows of popular culture because we were different that we would be more understanding and more accepting of things that are different. Unfortunately we as gamers are no less cliquish and no less elitist than any other segment of society. JiB
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Feb 25, 2013 13:29:13 GMT -8
To be fair to gamers and other geeks, the "you're doing it wrong" problem exists within any pastime, profession, or vocation about which people are passionate. Historians, architects, musicians, sports fans, UX designers, cartoonists, etc. can be haters, too! You are very right. I think that because we've all experienced to some greater or lesser degree the slings and arrows of popular culture because we were different that we would be more understanding and more accepting of things that are different. Unfortunately we as gamers are no less cliquish and no less elitist than any other segment of society. JiB You mean like being accepting of abusive relationships? I mean, " we can just fix those guys by tightening the rules" is being passive aggressive. Why are we overwhelmingly politically correct on the topic of RPGs? Is it that we, hobbyists and industry-types, are afraid we will lose our hobby or something? We are too politically correct when in every other endeavour there is a right and a wrong way. On one hand we have "never play with assholes" as a golden rule. On the other hand we have assholes repeating our mantra back at us like the doormats we appear: "there is no wrong way to play." We talk about being discriminating about who we invite over (going so far as to interview players at a neutral ground because we do not want the wrong element knowing where we live - not because we believe our hobby has more psycho-killers than the average in the general population but for game play fit), yet we cannot own this behaviour? It looks odd to people on the outside. It sends a message that gets received. Just saying what I think is the obvious about the elephant in the room.
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