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Post by Kainguru on May 20, 2014 22:26:05 GMT -8
Thank you Aaron
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Post by argoyle on May 21, 2014 17:35:13 GMT -8
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Post by argoyle on May 21, 2014 20:45:35 GMT -8
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Post by Kainguru on May 22, 2014 2:21:50 GMT -8
So even with fast international shipping (1 week) it's still cheaper than it would be retail in the UK - given AmazonUK haven't even got a preorder page up yet . . . I'll be a week behind you's lots but probably ahead of most limeys . . . Aaron
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Post by squeatus on May 22, 2014 8:44:17 GMT -8
I think the big secret plan is "omg, I hope we don't fuck up the online element like we did with 4E"
The online element with 4E was really sad, then it just kind of got worse. Well, the parts that actually ever got developed anyway.
Kobold will produce some great stuff for them. So did Paizo, though, and all it earned them was a "thanks for all that, and fuck off" when 4E was being prepped. I don't think there's a chance for another comeback story like Paizo's, so I hope Mr. Baur and company don't ever get too comfortable with the work, or having access to Hasbro's IP.
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Post by rickno7 on May 22, 2014 8:55:19 GMT -8
If they try and push online subscription like with 4E, I will write WOTC off forever. This is their last shot for me, I'm perfectly happy with getting my "D&D" fix with Paizo.
Its not the game that I have problems with. Its not the devs or the way the games are played. Its when it gets into the marketing hands of WOTC, and Hasbro agreeing with their monetization strategies that turns me off from doing business with them. When they had that exodus of a few very talented people a while back, they all pretty much said it wasn't the dev team they disliked, they did not like the plans on how to sell and market the game. That is what still has me worried.
I have no problems with staggered release by the way. When I jumped whole heartedly into 3E, me and my friends bought the books as they came, and we already had several adventures before having everything. This is without the internet, and we were still able to run games. If they weren't boxed up(I have PDF versions now), I'd take them out and post pictures of the mini-GM sections in them.
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Post by argoyle on May 22, 2014 12:41:36 GMT -8
15% of the PH will be available for free online- namely the character creation stuff Just tweeted today. www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/134712-More-Dungeons-Dragons-Details-Some-of-Rulebook-to-be-FreeConfirms the above statement regarding the 15% online for free, plus- Sidebars in the Dungeon Master's Guide will help DMs to customize their game to feel more like past editions of Dungeons & Dragons. The Monster Manual will have an emphasis on "Villainous Organizations" to go along with monsters. The back of the Starter Set does actually call the game "fifth edition" whereas other branding has not used that term so far. The Wizards of the Coast representative emphasized D&D's multimedia presence as a path to book sales, hinting at another D&D movie. A new expansion for D&D board game Lords of Waterdeep is not out of the question. Also contains mockups of the back covers of all 3 books
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Post by The Northman on May 23, 2014 16:30:24 GMT -8
Mearls has confirmed that the DM's Guide isn't necessary to run the game. All the relevant rules will be in the Players Handbook. I'm curious the distinction between relevant rules and not relevant rules. Gurps lite is a playable game, but it's pretty far from the experience as intended. It's possible the DMs guide is just basic "here's how to write an adventure" or "here's handy DM tips." And if so, awesome, I won't be buying it. But if it has the details for encounter planning (whatever they will call CR, etc.) or expanded wilderness rules, or class options like 3.5 archetypes, or the like... Then it's missing some pretty important parts. I will definitely want to thumb through some things pretty hard before I'm ponying up that level of cash. 150 is much too steep for my blood. As somebody on the rpg subreddit said: "for 150 bucks I'd rather buy a copy of savage worlds for every player in my group and then donate the other 8 copies to curious gamers at my local game store." Exactly. One of the main reasons I'm letting them Michael Corleone me is because of all the 'modular systems,' they've mentioned as a way to tailor the game to our group. Punting that 4 months down the line means I'm probably not bothering till I can see how that works. I have a sneaking suspicion that his statements are true insofar as you don't need it to play the game, so long as you're relying on "Our Super Awesome Modules from Kobold Press, available at a retailer near you or from our online store!"
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Post by ayslyn on May 24, 2014 17:50:13 GMT -8
Yeah, there are a LOT of quality, cheap games out there. But, the success of high quality, NOT EVEN CLOSE to cheap games suggests to me that people aren't walking away from a game just because of it's price tag. L5R 4e was a $60 core book (gorgeous and with a production value that justified the cost), and it's selling like hot cakes. Shadowrun 5e broke every record for sales that DrivethruRPG had. We're seeing more and more books with heart-stopping prices succeed beyond question.
If something drives a person away from 5e D&D, I suspect that the price tag will be low on the list of reasons.
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Post by Arcona on May 26, 2014 1:33:02 GMT -8
I am not excited (because I am not a little girl anymore) but I am happy for 5th. Most likely I will pick up the PHB and take it from there. Maybe we will try it in my group right away or maybe it will be read and shelved until we finish the 2-3 things we are currently running/trying out. Regardless, I dont have a problem with the staggered release. Seriously, after so many years roleplaying, I can make up stuff for a few months until I get the real deal. Whoever is saying that they cant do 'monsters' or 'magic items' without a DMG is a poor excuse of a GM (sorry, just my opinion... like your opinion can be I am a loud mouth idiot). I like also what I read about MM containing 'villainous organisations' and not just rehashed monsters with new rules. Do I mind the possibility for having to register to get goods & further services? Not really? After Diablo III taught us that Blizzard wants us online 24/7 even to play single player I kind of lost my nerve to fight against that kind of stuff
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Post by HourEleven on May 26, 2014 7:14:25 GMT -8
Does anyone know what the licensing is going to look like? Because even if it's the best damn dungeon-crawl/level-up system in history, I will be hard pressed to leave Pathfinder solely because I can Cntrl+F on the Srd or type whatever obscure skill or talent question int google and get an immediate answer.
I rarely pick up my Pathfinder books off the shelf (unless I'm dealing with world specific fluff) because I have it all online. That's a lot of convenience to let go of (especially with some of the types of players attracted by that genre - solving rules lawyers arguments with a google the players don't even know I'm making).
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Post by argoyle on May 26, 2014 22:03:50 GMT -8
3 "versions" of DnD 5e Basic- which they just revealed will be completely free and cover levels 1-20, with a stripped down old school rules set up www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527Advanced- What comes in the Players Handbook "Custom"/whatever you want to call it- Utilizing the optional modules/different rules sets (things like a point system for magic rather than Vancian)found in the Dungeon Master's Guide
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Post by ayslyn on May 26, 2014 22:25:50 GMT -8
Well then....
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Post by argoyle on May 27, 2014 4:36:59 GMT -8
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Post by HourEleven on May 27, 2014 7:32:29 GMT -8
Looks like one might be able to get all 3 books off of amazon for around $100. In the sad state of out hobby, that's both great and terrible news. One hundred is more reasonable, but brick and mortars can't compete with that - as usual. I was at a job interview the other day, the guy I was interviewing with said "of course the customer can get it cheaper from amazon, but if they know that we don't need to exist."
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