HyveMynd
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Masks
Oct 6, 2015 21:57:23 GMT -8
Post by HyveMynd on Oct 6, 2015 21:57:23 GMT -8
So, who is running a PbP game of Masks for sbloyd? Looking your way, joecrak.
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Masks
Oct 7, 2015 3:15:38 GMT -8
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Post by joecrak on Oct 7, 2015 3:15:38 GMT -8
I can try...i've never been in any pbp game, let alone run one, also haven't run Masks yet, but i can try once the kickstarter campaign is over.
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Benji
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Masks
Oct 7, 2015 14:37:53 GMT -8
Post by Benji on Oct 7, 2015 14:37:53 GMT -8
Just backed the project. Stop mocking me. The podcast and the forum is why I'm poor.
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sbloyd
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Post by sbloyd on Oct 7, 2015 14:41:21 GMT -8
I plan to tonight when my wife can't see me.
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sbloyd
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Post by sbloyd on Oct 7, 2015 16:05:09 GMT -8
I plan to tonight when my wife can't see me. ... And, done. I feel dirty.
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HyveMynd
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Masks
Oct 7, 2015 20:29:40 GMT -8
Post by HyveMynd on Oct 7, 2015 20:29:40 GMT -8
Yeah. I backed at the level that gets me a hardback and six sets of dice. What with the dollar to yen conversion rate and shipping costs, I won't be telling the wife how much I spent either.
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maxinstuff
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Oct 7, 2015 21:08:34 GMT -8
Post by maxinstuff on Oct 7, 2015 21:08:34 GMT -8
Seeing as this is the "online/remote" sub and not the "new products/kickstarters" sub I shall abandon my usual restraint and openly mock you all for backing a kickstarter at all.
[INTENSE MOCKING OF THE OPEN VARIETY]
> The budget has been exceeded by an order of magnitude > 16 stretch goals have been hit, with more supposedly to come > Several of the stretch goals rely on other people to produce something > There are still 17 days left for the money being thrown around to expand further, and for even more dependancies to be introduced > I can't see any mention of a target date for fulfilment, and while they say they have done many sucessful kickstarters before, I have to quote this sentence, "The largest problem we've encountered is delays." - LOL
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Masks
Oct 8, 2015 2:24:48 GMT -8
Post by joecrak on Oct 8, 2015 2:24:48 GMT -8
Seeing as this is the "online/remote" sub and not the "new products/kickstarters" sub I shall abandon my usual restraint and openly mock you all for backing a kickstarter at all. [INTENSE MOCKING OF THE OPEN VARIETY] > The budget has been exceeded by an order of magnitude > 16 stretch goals have been hit, with more supposedly to come > Several of the stretch goals rely on other people to produce something > There are still 17 days left for the money being thrown around to expand further, and for even more dependancies to be introduced > I can't see any mention of a target date for fulfilment, and while they say they have done many sucessful kickstarters before, I have to quote this sentence, "The largest problem we've encountered is delays." - LOL All of the necessary tool to run the game are available immediately upon backing.
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maxinstuff
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Oct 8, 2015 3:05:34 GMT -8
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Post by maxinstuff on Oct 8, 2015 3:05:34 GMT -8
Seeing as this is the "online/remote" sub and not the "new products/kickstarters" sub I shall abandon my usual restraint and openly mock you all for backing a kickstarter at all. [INTENSE MOCKING OF THE OPEN VARIETY] > The budget has been exceeded by an order of magnitude > 16 stretch goals have been hit, with more supposedly to come > Several of the stretch goals rely on other people to produce something > There are still 17 days left for the money being thrown around to expand further, and for even more dependancies to be introduced > I can't see any mention of a target date for fulfilment, and while they say they have done many sucessful kickstarters before, I have to quote this sentence, "The largest problem we've encountered is delays." - LOL All of the necessary tool to run the game are available immediately upon backing. So what's the Kickstarter for?
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sbloyd
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Post by sbloyd on Oct 8, 2015 3:35:00 GMT -8
Their fulfillment target is March. As far as what the Kickstarter is for, I'd say. .. printing? Though I only kicked at the PDF level.
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Masks
Oct 8, 2015 5:36:41 GMT -8
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Post by joecrak on Oct 8, 2015 5:36:41 GMT -8
Their fulfillment target is March. As far as what the Kickstarter is for, I'd say. .. printing? Though I only kicked at the PDF level. Pretty much this. All you NEED to play is the basic moves, GM moves, and playbooks, and they are available. The kickstarter, as many kickstarters are, is to help designers be able to produce what they have created, and be able to afford to release it for the public, and get their product into outlets where people can purchase their labors of love.
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maxinstuff
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Oct 8, 2015 13:12:45 GMT -8
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Post by maxinstuff on Oct 8, 2015 13:12:45 GMT -8
Their fulfillment target is March. As far as what the Kickstarter is for, I'd say. .. printing? Though I only kicked at the PDF level. Pretty much this. All you NEED to play is the basic moves, GM moves, and playbooks, and they are available. The kickstarter, as many kickstarters are, is to help designers be able to produce what they have created, and be able to afford to release it for the public, and get their product into outlets where people can purchase their labors of love. You make it sound like it's some sort of noble cause. They are selling a product, before it's finished at that. IMO this is exploitative - however well meaning it may be. If it would never happen without the Kickstarter... Maybe it isn't so great? Or maybe the publisher just wants our money now instead of later? What's wrong with POD? I'm not trying to personally attack the individuals running this, I'm just pointing out that this has all the ingredients for dissapointment. It's never customers that benefit from a Kickstarter going way over target.
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sbloyd
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Oct 8, 2015 13:55:29 GMT -8
Post by sbloyd on Oct 8, 2015 13:55:29 GMT -8
It's never supposed to be the customers that benefit from overfunded kickstarters. Kickstarters aren't for our benefit as customers in the first place, except where backer rewards are involved, and backer rewards are rarely worth the amount they're associated with. POD... ehn. I could care a little less, maybe. I'm in it for the PDFs. And as the core stuff is essentially complete, I'm fine with getting that stuff as my reward for a $10 backing level. Sure, it'll be nice to get all the extra game stuff that'll be written as a result of overfunding... but really, the only reason they're obligated to produce anything from overfunding is because they offered to. Just as easily they could have put up the $10 PDF level and the $30 print level backer rewards for the core materials, and then sat back and laughed all the way to the bank. "Selling a product before it's finished" - before the extra funding rewards are written, you mean? Those extra funding levels are going towards paying the people who are going to write those materials; how do you expect it to be "finished" without the funds to pay the freelancers that will be contracted for this work secured yet? "Maybe the publisher just wants our money now instead of later?" Well, duh. That's why we have things like pre-orders, to defray the risk involved in publishing. It's every publisher's nightmare to print ten thousand copies of a thing that ends up mouldering in a warehouse somewhere for ten years racking up storage fees while you eat ramen trying to pay off the printers. Ask Stu Venable about having a bunch of boxes of T-shirts he can't sell.
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maxinstuff
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Oct 8, 2015 14:49:47 GMT -8
Post by maxinstuff on Oct 8, 2015 14:49:47 GMT -8
"Selling a product before it's finished" - before the extra funding rewards are written, you mean? Those extra funding levels are going towards paying the people who are going to write those materials; how do you expect it to be "finished" without the funds to pay the freelancers that will be contracted for this work secured yet? Given that additional funds were raised toward the multitude of stretch goals involving freelancers, yes, these were sold before they were finished (in fact, before they had been started). If these are now going to be in the printed product, yes, they have also sold that before it's finished too. It might have been nearly finished previously, but this scope creep now means that it isn't finished anymore. The product has expanded to consume the resources it has been allowed, with no defined boundaries. If I were an early backer, I would be pissed. And it will simply keep growing like cancer the more money gets tipped in. backer rewards are rarely worth the amount they're associated with. I hadn't even mentioned the fact that many tip in more than what the end product is worth or will cost on the market - so thankyou for bringing that up. Unless a project can offer something in return for both their initial outlay and the time value of that money, they are simply gouging us. Don't get me wrong, this is not a personal attack on this particular kickstarter. This is just a fairly representative example of my personal issue with paying for things before they are done. Anyway, apologies HyveMynd for walking in and taking a big hairy shit in your thread.
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sbloyd
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Post by sbloyd on Oct 8, 2015 15:15:16 GMT -8
Maxinstuff, you act like people are forced to participate in kickstarters, or that folks are required to kick in egregious amounts.
Take me, for example. $10. I'm getting the core materials in PDF... and PDFs of all the other shit that gets unlocked, which as far as I am concerned is bonus. Yes, some kickstarters are kind of shitty. That's why one shouldn't support those.
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