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Post by jonas on Feb 2, 2016 5:22:08 GMT -8
It says in the rulebook that humans gets one free edge at the start of character creation. Is this only if there are several races to chose from, or do they always get that.
And is the free edge counted in the available archetypes, or do you just add one (if you are human) after you picked your archetype?
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Post by andreasdavour on Feb 2, 2016 13:28:19 GMT -8
In all setting books I have, that free edge is always explicitly mentioned, so I guess they always get it.
Archetypes is a thing from Deluxe, right? Don't have that.
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Feb 2, 2016 15:46:05 GMT -8
Looks to be part of the base rules. Makes sense that they want to have that spice in the spice rack to flavor up characters and be something to take away as a trade off for perks of other races.
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Post by ilina on Feb 2, 2016 17:59:09 GMT -8
humans always get the free edge. which is actually factored into the Archetypes themselves
other Races balance their abilities against the free human edge. but the free human edge is intended to serve as a baseline for balance, and to Simulate a form of 0XP Advance, in the form of Racial Abilities. though other Races can also have the free edge if they take it as a Racial Ability. your Race is your 0XP Advance. some abilities are also balanced out with hindrances.
the General Perk of this, is humans can gain a third background Edge, if they can work around the requirements. because background edges can only be taken at character creation without specific GM Approval
though most Races offer an Extra Attribute Point, which makes it easier to qualify for edges, and gets around the fact you can only gain one Attribute point per 20 XP you have. the issue is, being limited to two background edges, and the fact Taking Background or Professional edges always requires justification.
you can't simply take Arcane Background and say "I'm a Wizard". you actually have to build towards it and even spend downtime. which is a unique downside of taking background and professional edges. is they require you to justify them.
if you Want Human Cultural Backgrounds instead. you could give a human a d6 in 2 skills of their choice or a d6 in one attribute of their choice, to represent the emphasis of their culture. i would call this the Variant human.
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Post by jonas on Feb 3, 2016 0:46:42 GMT -8
humans always get the free edge. which is actually factored into the Archetypes themselves So if I understand you correctly: If you take one of the archetypes, and are playing a human, you don't add an edge of your choice after you made your pick. Thanks for the help. :-)
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Post by ilina on Feb 3, 2016 19:19:06 GMT -8
humans always get the free edge. which is actually factored into the Archetypes themselves So if I understand you correctly: If you take one of the archetypes, and are playing a human, you don't add an edge of your choice after you made your pick. Thanks for the help. :-) you are correct. though some of the Archetypes (like Leader) are missing a 2 point Advance and you often have to count things yourself.
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Post by ilina on Feb 18, 2016 13:39:23 GMT -8
the Archetypes, actually require you to reverse engineer them to find out their real point values. because there are quite a few that happen to be missing an advancement point or 2, like Leader, or a few like thief or wizard, that may require you to shift a handful of points around to create something more viable and less minmaxed. and some racial abilities are generally very crippling for the setting they are used in, like construct or undead in a Fantasy Setting where the Repair Skill is Rare or All Thumbs in a Science Fiction Setting where Technology is Everywhere.
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Post by savagedaddy on Feb 25, 2016 6:20:49 GMT -8
the General Perk of this, is humans can gain a third background Edge, if they can work around the requirements. because background edges can only be taken at character creation without specific GM Approval... you can't simply take Arcane Background and say "I'm a Wizard". you actually have to build towards it and even spend downtime. which is a unique downside of taking background and professional edges. is they require you to justify them. I have to disagree with the two statements above. Background Edges are available at any level of advancement. Only being able to take Background Edges "during character creation" is a rule from the previous version of Savage Worlds and is not a limitation in Deluxe. I agree that it should 'make sense', such as a Seasoned Rank character suddenly taking the Attractive Edge with the rationalization that they've become more physically fit and focused on their personal hygiene than when they started. I can absolutely spend my free Human Edge to take Arcane Background (Magic) and announce that I am a Wizard! First, there are no Attribute, Rank, or Skill Requirements associated with the arcane background. I can also spend 2 Hindrance Points to take the Professional Wizard Edge; but all it does is reduce the power point cost by 1 per raise on my Spellcasting skill rolls. As a matter of fact, if I follow the Mage Archetype as a build and put 4 extra skill points toward Spellcasting and Knowledge (Arcana) I can start Novice play with a Spellcasting d12 and Knw (Arcana) d10; which is a pretty powerful Wizard! Just a clarification.
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