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Post by Fiona on Oct 29, 2018 12:03:49 GMT -8
Re: Stork's fear of long-time listeners vanishing:
I've been listening since roughly mid-2010. I consumed the backlog immediately. And I drew the Albert on the wall back there. I haven't gone anywhere and I don't plan to. Y'all rock.
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Post by ericfromnj on Oct 29, 2018 15:18:27 GMT -8
CADAVE mentioned using a dump truck in his sandbox.
When I was growing up and playing in a sandbox I had shovels and pails and other things.
They were plot elements in a sandbox much like a sandbox campaign can have plot hooks.
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Post by Forresst on Oct 29, 2018 16:52:04 GMT -8
I'm not goin anywhere! I just spend more time on Discord lately. <3
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 29, 2018 17:18:23 GMT -8
I think that there are a lot of us old souls still around. Maybe not so active outside of the 'cast... But still there.
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nanoboy
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Post by nanoboy on Oct 30, 2018 20:13:20 GMT -8
If a job flyer appears in a game, does that disqualify it from being a sandbox?
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Post by greatwyrm on Oct 30, 2018 20:19:21 GMT -8
I'm sorry this isn't related specifically to this show. A while back I was hoping we could get a new Easy Roller Dice promo code. Did anything ever come of that? I want to buy quality dice and get you ad revenue in the process. Help me help you help someone else sell things to me!
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battlematt
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Post by battlematt on Oct 31, 2018 3:19:44 GMT -8
What Stu and Dave refers to as "Open Worlds" are what A LOT of other people call sandbox games. I wonder where their tight definition of sandbox comes from? Because if this label is the name of a type of game that barely exists, then how useful is the label?
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Post by Stu Venable on Oct 31, 2018 7:28:51 GMT -8
It's not a useful label, which is kind of my point.
The term, as it's used, basically means any game that isn't a railroad. Does there really need to be a term for that?
That's not useful. It's become a buzzword.
It's like the term "actual play." Who on this entire planet, when playing a game is NOT "actually playing?"
Don't get me started...
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Post by Stu Venable on Oct 31, 2018 7:29:49 GMT -8
TL/DR
Whichever gamers are taking it upon themselves to coin terms should stop. They're not qualified.
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Post by ericfromnj on Oct 31, 2018 8:44:22 GMT -8
But Stu, why take issue with a term that has been around as long as Sandbox Games and try to reconfigure it? We have an idea what it means and the term has been around far longer than Open World. (At least I believe so. We were using the term sandbox games around the 80’s to early 90’s to start and Open World I never heard until it was introduced by video games much later.
I believe you are trying to fix something which isn’t broke.
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Post by fredrix on Oct 31, 2018 9:05:31 GMT -8
Yeah, Stu Venable is on a losing wicket here. The term has been around for years. You can’t forbid gamers from coining terms and once it’s in common usage, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. Same with AP, it’s term somebody invented to do what Stu and the crew do, record podcasts of an actual game. It does not distinguish between recorded and unrecorded games, it distinguishes between the Friday nite chat format and the actually playing format. (Which of course Stu knows, I am not calling him an idiot.) it’s happened, it’s out there. We have to live with it. If Stu wants to blame somebody for coining the term, a bloke in this discussion claims responsibility rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/662/what-is-sandbox-play
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Post by weaselcreature on Oct 31, 2018 10:26:46 GMT -8
"Actual Play," I believe, is used to differentiate a radio-style production of a game (like The Curse of Silverlake) where they played a game, then made a produced story out of it(but you're not hearing them actually play) versus what the Jackers do.
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Post by Stu Venable on Oct 31, 2018 12:56:07 GMT -8
But there is no "common definition" of "sandbox," is there. Here's an experiment:
Without reading other peoples' definitions, write your definition of a sandbox game here...
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Post by willh on Oct 31, 2018 13:28:36 GMT -8
"Actual Play," I believe, is used to differentiate a radio-style production of a game (like The Curse of Silverlake) where they played a game, then made a produced story out of it(but you're not hearing them actually play) versus what the Jackers do. The term Actual Play comes from forum discussions about games, in the days before podcasts, or at least before podcasts were as big as they are now. Actual play was a discussion of a game based on a specific example of actually playing it, as opposed to discussion based purely on having read the rules and theorizing how things will work out. There would generally be both discussion on the fictional events in game, and how the rules interacted with those events. This is why my old podcast was called Actual People, Actual Play, even though we never once played our games on the mics. When people started recording game sessions for podcasts, the name Actual Play was applied to this format. There was some griping about how that shouldn't be the case, because they didn't include the same stuff as the written actual plays. None of that griping matters now. The name stuck for the podcast format.
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 31, 2018 13:30:57 GMT -8
Speaking of APAP.... When is it coming back???
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