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Post by malifer on Oct 19, 2012 16:28:56 GMT -8
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Post by ericfromnj on Oct 19, 2012 18:57:12 GMT -8
They are trying to emphasize it as a parody...I am unsure if such a claim would work I don't see how that it can be claimed that but admittedly I am not familiar with the legalities of such things.
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Post by fray on Oct 19, 2012 19:20:46 GMT -8
Chibi is an art style and many character are 'created' using it. They don't actually use the names from the cartoon, calling the mini by generic titles. Totally cool.
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Post by greatwyrm on Oct 20, 2012 7:13:38 GMT -8
Generally speaking, anybody can sue anybody else for just about anything. In a situation like this, it doesn't really matter who is right. What you usually see happen is the side with the most money keeps things going until the other side just agrees to quit because they can't afford to go on.
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Post by HyveMynd on Oct 20, 2012 22:23:58 GMT -8
My bet is they're trying to produce 3rd party products for Soda Pop Miniatures' dungeon-crawl boardgame Super Dungeon Explore, which has a "chibi anime" style. It's meant to emulate those old 8-bit Japanese RPGs we grew up with. I was interested in the game until the whole fiasco with their Tentacle Bento game happened. Now I refuse to give Soda Pop Miniatures any of my money no matter what non-offensive products they might put out.
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Post by fray on Oct 20, 2012 23:13:27 GMT -8
What is/was "whole fiasco with their Tentacle Bento game"?
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Post by HyveMynd on Oct 21, 2012 0:08:33 GMT -8
Basically, Soda Pop Miniatures created a trick taking card game where you play as a tentacle monster who have infiltrated an all girls Japanese university. You score points by collecting sets consisting of a student card, a location card, and a "Snatch Action" card. Everyone familiar with anime knows what almost always happens when you combine tentacle monsters and Japanese school girls. Hell even people unfamiliar with anime have probably heard the phrase "tentacle porn" or "hentacles". What really turned me off was the insistence of SPM president, John Cadice that the people who saw tentacle rape in this game were simply imagining it. Rather than have the balls to come out and say "We made a game about tentacle rape" they continually said that the motive of the aliens were never explicitly stated and that players were free to imagine anything they wanted. Come on dude. I know what happens when you put school girls and tentacle monsters together, and so so you. I call bullshit. I'm copying this from a post I put on the Soda Pop Miniatures forums. The reason I find Tentacle Bento offensive is as follows:
1. It continues the objectification of women. The whole point of Tentacle Bento is to "get your slimy tentacles on as many of the student body before time runs out". Collecting women is the expressly stated goal, which I find creepy. Is TB the first or only game to do this? No, but Soda Pop Games is only helping to continue the "women as objects not people" mentality found in gaming culture. The four "suites" of girls (Cute, Sporty, Sexy, and Smart) doesn't help this in the least either. Nor does their recruitment of Soda Pop Girls to be eye candy for their booths.
2. The age of the girls. The vast majority of universities in Japan don't have their students wear uniforms at all, let alone those of the style shown on the TB cards. However the vast majority of Japanese high schools do have their students wear similar uniforms. So despite Soda Pop telling us that the setting is a women's university, the images they are showing us are very suggestive of high school age girls. You could argue that no high school aged girl would have breasts as big as the girls on the cards, but this just reinforces my first point.
3. The language used both in the game pitch text on Kick Starter and by Mr. Cadice in the video interviews I've seen of him strongly imply that the girls do not want the attention the you are giving them, and that the attention is sexual in nature. Words like "catch", "capture", "quarry", "sneaky snatch action" and "these girls are able to hold their own" (implying that they can fight off your advances) and the double entendre of "cram session" to draw attention to just a few. Yes, there is nothing that actually depicts rape shown on any of the cards themselves. But seeing as how the result of tentacle monsters snatching school girls in anime is usually tentacle rape, Soda Pop should have gone out of their way to show us that the monsters are not planning to rape these girls. They didn't, and as stated above, the language used makes it very difficult to argue that the monsters have other intentions.
4. As the OP said, I wouldn't call this game a satire but rather a simulation or an imitation. Tentacle rape may be an inside joke to the anime community, but that doesn't automatically make a game about it satirical. If you have to keep telling people that something is a satire, then you probably didn't make it ridiculous enough. If Soda Pop really wanted to do a satire of the genre, why not turn conventions on their ear and have female monsters invading an all boys school? Or how about "evil" school girls kidnapping poor, defenseless tentacle monsters? There are lots of ways they could have parodied the tentacle rape genre without making a game that appears to simply emulate it. Of course that started a flame war with hordes of mouth-breathers to creep out of their mom's basement and proclaim that it was I who had the problem for seeing tentacle rape in the game. Not the people who made it. I said that if SPM had really wanted to satirize the tentacle rape genre, you would be female monsters snatching underage school boys. That would show how ridiculous the whole thing was, which is the definition of satire. No one liked that idea one bit. People claimed that I was full of shit if I thought tentacle raping school girls was wrong, but was alright if done to boys. Again, no one had the balls to say why they were really against it; that they wanted to look at the pictures of melon-chested anime school girls. Feh. You can go read the whole thread here, if you want to.
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Post by Benji on Oct 21, 2012 1:05:47 GMT -8
Totally with you on Soda Pop Miniature's tasteless Tentacle Bento game. I made a point of no longer supporting them myself after that was originally making the rounds.
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Post by HyveMynd on Oct 21, 2012 16:52:14 GMT -8
Yeah, I've already derailed this topic enough with my Soda Pop Minis rant, so I won't continue. Sorry.
The Chibi Dungeon KickStarter is currently at $42,667 of it's $3,250 goal with 429 backers and 11 days still left. To say this thing is popular is an understatement.
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Post by malifer on Oct 22, 2012 13:44:43 GMT -8
Yeah, I've already derailed this topic enough with my Soda Pop Minis rant, so I won't continue. Sorry. The Chibi Dungeon KickStarter is currently at $42,667 of it's $3,250 goal with 429 backers and 11 days still left. To say this thing is popular is an understatement. Hyve, you're always allowed to derail my threads. You're also allowed to discuss the positives of Savage Worlds. ;D
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