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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 20:01:18 GMT -8
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Post by ayslyn on Mar 3, 2013 22:19:49 GMT -8
I'm confused. They've already done Twilight. They did it when it first came out.
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Post by malifer on Mar 4, 2013 6:03:31 GMT -8
I'm confused. They've already done Twilight. They did it when it first came out. I think they need the rights to perform it live and have it shown on movie screens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 8:32:58 GMT -8
Right that is what they are kickstarting
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Post by ayslyn on Mar 4, 2013 9:34:55 GMT -8
Ah.
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Post by daeglan on Mar 6, 2013 0:09:05 GMT -8
Wouldn't riffing fall under satire?
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Post by shadrack on Mar 6, 2013 8:38:37 GMT -8
1) not a lawyer 2) I think that while their speech is protected, the fact that the actual movie is playing in the 'background' in it's full format and they (the rifftrax guys) will be making money from it, steps beyond the bounds of fair use of the original.
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Post by Stu Venable on Mar 6, 2013 8:47:40 GMT -8
Satire is a defense for when you get sued -- and is normally argued by a 300-dollar-per-hour lawyer.
Have they made an initial call to see a) how much they might have to pay for the rights and b) if whoever makes that decision would be willing to say yes?
If not, I'm betting they won't get the rights regardless of how much they raise.
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Post by kaitoujuliet on Mar 6, 2013 11:14:08 GMT -8
Considering that they have been doing what they do for 20+ years, I'm sure they know what their chances are of actually getting the rights. But I'm sure there's some offscreen wheeling and dealing involved too. Maybe they're hoping to persuade the rights-holders to take a percentage of the profit as part of the deal? Kickstarter would be a good way to judge how many people would actually come to watch the live riffing. Or at least, they could argue that this was the case.
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Post by shadrack on Mar 6, 2013 11:47:34 GMT -8
Satire is a defense for when you get sued -- and is normally argued by a 300-dollar-per-hour lawyer. Have they made an initial call to see a) how much they might have to pay for the rights and b) if whoever makes that decision would be willing to say yes? If not, I'm betting they won't get the rights regardless of how much they raise. it says that they will talk all the money they get and then go try to bargain for the rights. (likely involving a portion of the ticket sales and residual airings, etc...) If they fail, they move to the next movie on some huge list of horrible movies, and try to get the rights for that.
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Post by kaitoujuliet on Mar 7, 2013 8:46:48 GMT -8
it says that they will talk all the money they get and then go try to bargain for the rights. (likely involving a portion of the ticket sales and residual airings, etc...) It's what they say, but again, I don't think they're naive/inexperienced enough to even try something like this unless they're pretty sure it will help. I'm still betting the issue is less "will they let us do it?" and more "can we work out a way to do it that's financially acceptable to all parties?"
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Post by Stu Venable on Mar 7, 2013 9:33:29 GMT -8
Have they secured the rights to any other big-budget, current movies before?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 15:12:10 GMT -8
RiffTrax has done B movies and shorts. From what is on their Kickstarter page, they have always wanted to to a current movie, and according to the internet Twilight was the winner. They have a MP3 that you can sync with the dvd movie, but they want to do a live version of it. They are trying to raise enough money to approach Summit Entertainment/Lionsgate to see if they can get the rights. If they cant get Twilight rights they are going to take that money and try to get another movie that is on their list.
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