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Post by Kainguru on Sept 10, 2014 13:00:37 GMT -8
At least half-orcs, half-elves, half-demons,half-jizz puppets or whatever aren't motherfucking DragonBorn . . . to cite the original 4e pre-release in Dragon Magazine 'well it is called Dungeons & Dragons so what could be cooler than being able to play a dragon, so we present a new core race - DragonBorn'. to which my response was 'well fit me up with a motherfucking DungeonBorn then cunts and call it a full house, cause I wants to play me a dungeon wall'. <walks off muttering 'I fucking hate DragonBorn and fucking Kender and especially those stupid snake nosed disenchanter piles of puke'> Aaron
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Post by rickno7 on Sept 10, 2014 18:04:50 GMT -8
I'm giving Dragonborn a chance with my group. I think that's where a lot of my "give it a chance" got used up. Along with Warlocks, Mage-Knights and the magical rogue sub-tree. They are getting introduced as the catalyst to the "world changing event" of the campaign i'm planning. Actually... only if anyone tells me they want to be Dragon Born are they going to know that I'm allowing them. My players think I"m putting them in the "no fucking way" category with half elves and half orcs. They're actually going to be a magical fusion thingy, where they hatch then "fuse" with someone to become Dragonborn. So the player/players that wish to be Dragonborn will dealt with in a special way. Mindflayers are going to be the antithesis of the Dragonborn and be "created" by the "old one" entity that enables Warlocks.
Basically I challenged myself. Most the things I at first had the reaction of "ok, I'll ignore that in my worlds cause I don't like it gawd dern it" are being tied together as the main plot.
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Post by lowkeyoh on Sept 11, 2014 13:34:47 GMT -8
I feel like Dragonborn are going to get the flak usually reserved for Orcs in my game. People see some greenskins and think, "Oh hey it's that guy. He's got a bit of a temper, but he's allright." Where as Dragonborn are going to get confused for, and treated as monsters. Frequently.
You can marry Orcs. You can have children with Orcs. You share relatively the same life experiences that Orcs do. These fucking Dragon Dudes are cold blooded reptiles with magic breathing. They aren't even close to your species.
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Post by The Northman on Sept 12, 2014 10:26:02 GMT -8
You can do it in 3.P. Orcs, goblins, kobolds, etc are all featured in the advanced race guide.
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Post by Arcona on Sept 15, 2014 0:56:11 GMT -8
I loved the Orcs of the Midnight campaign setting.
They were a race kinda engineered by the Dark God Izrador to be better warriors but also very capable at adapting and hardy. Smart (smarter than in normal DnD at least) and quite interesting as a whole. They were fleshed out and interestingly also had matriarchal society with some Mothers being super faithful to Izrador while some clans being less so.
Orks... are generally awesome in any non 'old school DnD' setting though. Warcraft has cool orks, Warhammer 40k has cool orks and it seems so does 5th edition DnD.
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Post by D.T. Pints on Sept 15, 2014 8:47:14 GMT -8
At least half-orcs, half-elves, half-demons,half-jizz puppets or whatever aren't motherfucking DragonBorn . . . to cite the original 4e pre-release in Dragon Magazine 'well it is called Dungeons & Dragons so what could be cooler than being able to play a dragon, so we present a new core race - DragonBorn'. to which my response was 'well fit me up with a motherfucking DungeonBorn then cunts and call it a full house, cause I wants to play me a dungeon wall'. <walks off muttering 'I fucking hate DragonBorn and fucking Kender and especially those stupid snake nosed disenchanter piles of puke'> Aaron As a card carrying member of the Society To Uplift, Protect, & Inculcate Disenchanters I highly object to your tone sir! These noble beasts are highly misunderstood. What greater joy can a Douchey DM have than to introduce a monster that goes one step beyond the evils of the Rust Monster and actually devours the hard earned magic of whiney PCs ? Why I have been known to stock dungeon room #17 (a bare 20x20 square chamber lit only by the wicked light of burning BRAZIERS! with entire flocks? gaggles ? herds ? of frolicking Disenchanters. You should see what they did to the WIZARD, made a back room go over by TSA look like a light hug...and Disenchanters don't use latex snout covers...)
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Post by heavymetaljess on Sept 15, 2014 17:11:14 GMT -8
At least half-orcs, half-elves, half-demons,half-jizz puppets or whatever aren't motherfucking DragonBorn . . . Aaron As a card carrying member of the Society To Uplift, Protect, & Inculcate Disenchanters... I love both ya'll bitches. That made my night.
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 15, 2014 22:54:36 GMT -8
At least half-orcs, half-elves, half-demons,half-jizz puppets or whatever aren't motherfucking DragonBorn . . . to cite the original 4e pre-release in Dragon Magazine 'well it is called Dungeons & Dragons so what could be cooler than being able to play a dragon, so we present a new core race - DragonBorn'. to which my response was 'well fit me up with a motherfucking DungeonBorn then cunts and call it a full house, cause I wants to play me a dungeon wall'. <walks off muttering 'I fucking hate DragonBorn and fucking Kender and especially those stupid snake nosed disenchanter piles of puke'> Aaron As a card carrying member of the Society To Uplift, Protect, & Inculcate Disenchanters I highly object to your tone sir! These noble beasts are highly misunderstood. What greater joy can a Douchey DM have than to introduce a monster that goes one step beyond the evils of the Rust Monster and actually devours the hard earned magic of whiney PCs ? Why I have been known to stock dungeon room #17 (a bare 20x20 square chamber lit only by the wicked light of burning BRAZIERS! with entire flocks? gaggles ? herds ? of frolicking Disenchanters. You should see what they did to the WIZARD, made a back room go over by TSA look like a light hug...and Disenchanters don't use latex snout covers...) God Damned Hippy! You see I've been in England long enough to internalise some of it traditional mores - like hunting weird animals to extinction for fun and sport, sport being defined as 'approaching with overwhelming odds and unnecessary firepower' (cf grouse hunting) . . . If disenchanters decline protection then maybe a solution could present itself - ie: the bunny vs myoxamtosis offensive. <laughs evilly and heads off to lab to mix pathogens> Aaron
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Post by malifer on Sept 16, 2014 13:29:02 GMT -8
At least half-orcs, half-elves, half-demons,half-jizz puppets or whatever aren't motherfucking DragonBorn . . . to cite the original 4e pre-release in Dragon Magazine 'well it is called Dungeons & Dragons so what could be cooler than being able to play a dragon, so we present a new core race - DragonBorn'. to which my response was 'well fit me up with a motherfucking DungeonBorn then cunts and call it a full house, cause I wants to play me a dungeon wall'. <walks off muttering 'I fucking hate DragonBorn and fucking Kender and especially those stupid snake nosed disenchanter piles of puke'> Aaron I almost liked this post, but then you had to go and throw in a jab at the kender. I love Kender. Sure they're just kleptomaniac idiotic hobbits, but that's how I like'em. But yes Dragonborn are shit. And if you have read 5e they just seem to be a little better than the rest of the races.
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Post by kaitoujuliet on Sept 16, 2014 17:42:29 GMT -8
But yes Dragonborn are shit. And if you have read 5e they just seem to be a little better than the rest of the races. They do read as a bit Mary Sue-ish. But I suppose it's better than the version that was apparently floated last fall where they came from dragon eggs that were not blessed by the gods--the original article seems to have vanished, but it's discussed on rpg.net in this thread, and also in this blog post.
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Post by lowkeyoh on Sept 16, 2014 17:58:26 GMT -8
But yes Dragonborn are shit. And if you have read 5e they just seem to be a little better than the rest of the races. Not sure if I agree. High Elves still take the cake in my book for strongest base race.
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Post by malifer on Sept 16, 2014 18:17:39 GMT -8
But yes Dragonborn are shit. And if you have read 5e they just seem to be a little better than the rest of the races. Not sure if I agree. High Elves still take the cake in my book for strongest base race. That could be. I don't really remember the Elves off the top of my head and only gave the book a quick once over. But I walked away thinking the Dragonborn were ridiculous.
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Post by ayslyn on Sept 16, 2014 19:41:27 GMT -8
I suppose that depends on what you prioritize for "strongest"....
Neither of them are particularly stronger than the other, or any other race, IMHO.
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Post by Kainguru on Sept 16, 2014 21:52:35 GMT -8
Ya see in the ADnD1e DMG GG wrote a passage about 'Monsters as PC's' and in it he hit upon, what I wish to believe, is a small grain of truth about such creatures Not saying this motivates everyone but it is a popular motivation. DragonBorn are one step beyond that by being not just a 'monster' but a 'monster' specifically created to fulfill this niche desire. That's why I hate DragonBorn, that and the already stated reason for their inception . . . Sorry but to my mind they're just silly and I cannot take them seriously . . . Aaron
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Post by malifer on Sept 17, 2014 5:54:08 GMT -8
I suppose that depends on what you prioritize for "strongest".... Neither of them are particularly stronger than the other, or any other race, IMHO. I am not fluent in 5e but this is just based purely on a read through of the races section. All the races get some special traits. Dwarf - darkvision (not unique), stone work knowledge (insert sarcastic excitement), resist poison Half-elf - darkvision (again!), resist charm Half-orc - darkvision (why even have torches in the equipment section?), Endurance is neat drop to 1 hp instead of 0, bonus damage on critical Gnome - darkvision (good grief), resist some magic, speak with animals/tinker Tiefling - darkvision (yup), resist fire damage Human - ummm Resist racism? Up until this point I think we are doing fairly well. The Orc is pretty strong, but those abilities are very situational. The following races are the bee knees. Halfling - Lucky (never roll a 1 again), resist frightened This is the race that every group will point to their "Stork" and say you are only allowed to play Halflings now. Elf - Darkvision!, Training in Perception (I haven't mentioned skills previously but this skill is fairly essential), resist charm Wood Elf - bonus to hiding in nature Drow - SUPER Darkvision, Drow Magic. Quick Note the only Race I noticed with a Disadvantage and it is not a light one Sunlight (ooh pun) High Elf - Cantrip (pretty good) lowkeyoh is right the High Elf is pretty badass, plus being a "pretty" race they shouldn't have many problems walking into a town because he doesn't look like a monster. But in a game of killing things and taking their stuff I think the Dragonborn still reign as the supreme cheese. Dragonborn - Breath Weapon and resist that damage. I'm sure in a Court Based game of ROLEplaying none of this will matter, but purely on combat this was how I saw the races.
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