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Post by jonas on Apr 30, 2015 12:40:29 GMT -8
To bad to hear. It feels really bad when you take time to prep an awesome game and a player throws it in the garbage for petty reasons.
If you want to convince Daniel that there's no problem with Blake's characters, here are some points you can bring up:
1. It's not the "real" wild west. It's a post apocalyptic setting influenced by the wild west. There is no historical accuracy you need to take in account.
2. There lived a lot of asians in the real wild west. Hell, it existed classical cowboys who where asians. The only reason asians (and other minorities) feel out of place in a wild west setting is because Hollywood preferred manly white men in leading roles when they made their western movies.
I'm not sure if a logical adult conversation will work with Daniel, but it's always worth a shot.
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Post by lowkeyoh on Apr 30, 2015 12:43:12 GMT -8
Post apocalypse means post-racial in my eyes. There are more important things going on in carrying on the human race than segregating by race into homogeneous groups that share your cultural or ethnic background. That means whatever ethnic lines you had are going to get blurred really fast.
This is one of the issues with not creating characters collaboratively.
Just talk it out with your players and hope you can get everyone on the same page. It'll all work out.
Good luck
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Post by goodmush on Apr 30, 2015 13:01:41 GMT -8
I would suggest taking a session and use that to build out characters in a group (Fear the Boot) that way everyone is on the same page as well as being able to add to the other player's characters. But speaking to them dropping out over a missunderstanding about the setting seems a bit extreme to me. A sit down is most definitely required to sort the matter out.
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Post by kaitoujuliet on Apr 30, 2015 15:19:12 GMT -8
Jonas's points are definitely valid, but if they don't work, my next question is, how committed is Blake to his character concept? Would he be willing to play a different character for the sake of keeping the group together?
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Post by goodmush on Apr 30, 2015 20:10:59 GMT -8
Sounds like a good plan to me, let us know how it goes.
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Post by ayslyn on Apr 30, 2015 20:24:55 GMT -8
Yeah, I am gonna have to sorta disagree with some of what's been suggested here. This is not an issue of non-collaborative character creation.
Working just with the information that's been given so far, I'm gonna say it... Daniel is being unreasonable at best, and an ass at worst. There's nothing wrong with Blake's character, and Daniel needs to put on his damn big-boy pants and grow up. Talk to him and lay it on the table. Insist that he stop treating you like a moron, and admit the real reason he's got his knickers in a twist.
Now, it's quite possible you might want to be a bit less blunt that I was... ^.^
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Post by lowkeyoh on Apr 30, 2015 20:59:55 GMT -8
Yeah, I am gonna have to sorta disagree with some of what's been suggested here. This is not an issue of non-collaborative character creation. Working just with the information that's been given so far, I'm gonna say it... Daniel is being unreasonable at best, and an ass at worst. There's nothing wrong with Blake's character, and Daniel needs to put on his damn big-boy pants and grow up. Talk to him and lay it on the table. Insist that he stop treating you like a moron, and admit the real reason he's got his knickers in a twist. Now, it's quite possible you might want to be a bit less blunt that I was... ^.^ I completely agree, I'm just saying that collaborative char gen nips some of these problems in the bud
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Post by ayslyn on Apr 30, 2015 22:57:32 GMT -8
I might agree if it weren't for the fact that Daniel is seeming to be excessively unreasonable. In this case, I would wager that making the characters together wouldn't have made a difference. There's something else afoot.
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Post by lowkeyoh on Apr 30, 2015 23:45:09 GMT -8
Sure, but if there was an objection, he would have to explain it to the entire table, and then everyone could discuss it. Or hold it to not look foolish and this wouldn't be a problem.
When he said 'My character doesn't work anymore' there's immediate feedback from the gm to explain why it would, and people get to talk it out, which you don't get when you collect sheets before the game, is all
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Post by Hi, It is Daniel on May 1, 2015 3:08:58 GMT -8
I sent Daniel a text informing him that I had received, and approved Blake's character information. That I even liked the story he had written for me. The next thing I knew Daniel had erased all of his character pictures, and information from our groups facebook page, and was telling me that he no longer intended to play his character any more because "My character doesn't fit the setting any more" I called him on the phone, and tried to encourage him to play his character because I like it so much, and was looking forward to running a game with his character in it,.... Seems all your responders are misisng this salient point so I thought I should speak up. The problem Daniel has is with YOU. Daniel does not trust YOU. [Thus he is right not to play in your game. You should not want him to.] YOU have addressed is objections to Blake's character, and he does not trust YOU. YOU are going to be his GM? Happy gaming.
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Post by ayslyn on May 1, 2015 3:54:04 GMT -8
Sure, but if there was an objection, he would have to explain it to the entire table, and then everyone could discuss it. Or hold it to not look foolish and this wouldn't be a problem. When he said 'My character doesn't work anymore' there's immediate feedback from the gm to explain why it would, and people get to talk it out, which you don't get when you collect sheets before the game, is all But if we believe the OP's story (and honestly we don't have much of a reason to not believe, despite the old adage about sides and stories), he got that feedback anyway. The problem is that there is something else going on here. And only directly confronting that and dragging it kicking and screaming into the sunlight will resolve that situation. Which is the point that I am trying to deliver. No amount of explaining why either character would work, or discussion of how to fix them will help; because, it's not the characters that are the problem.
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Post by heavymetaljess on May 1, 2015 5:14:21 GMT -8
I have never felt that any ethnicity would be out of place in the setting... I am beginning to suspect that there may be more to what is going on between these two players... I hate to ask Blake to change, since I don't feel like he has done anything that he should be punished for, or that he should be subject to having another player try to dictate to him what he can play. As noted separately, the West is largely white (and everything else) washed in almost all of the portrayals of it we see in American culture. There were many races living in the Wild West as well as LGBT people and single parents and all kinds of things we have today. The fact that this is a post-apocalyptic game means these groups would be more prominent and likely more open about cultural differences. I would think that in a group of people who have lost so much it would not be unusual for individuals to take on very traditional names for their ethnicity to help preserve even a small measure of their past culture. I agree that it would be unfair to ask Blake to change his character. I'd leave a group if I was asked to change my character because their ethnicity offended another player's idea of the game. He fit the setting from a thematic point so wonderfully. He shouldn't be punished because someone else at the table can't put on his grown up hat. I think you're right in suspecting that there is something else going on here. It really could be anything and unless Daniel is willing to sit down and talk openly and honestly about his reasoning, you'll probably never know what exactly set him off.
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Post by weaselcreature on May 1, 2015 10:31:34 GMT -8
I sent Daniel a text informing him that I had received, and approved Blake's character information. That I even liked the story he had written for me. The next thing I knew Daniel had erased all of his character pictures, and information from our groups facebook page, and was telling me that he no longer intended to play his character any more because "My character doesn't fit the setting any more" I called him on the phone, and tried to encourage him to play his character because I like it so much, and was looking forward to running a game with his character in it,.... Seems all your responders are misisng this salient point so I thought I should speak up. The problem Daniel has is with YOU. Daniel does not trust YOU. [Thus he is right not to play in your game. You should not want him to.] YOU have addressed is objections to Blake's character, and he does not trust YOU. YOU are going to be his GM? Happy gaming. What is this distrust based on? If the community is going to be able to offer any more insight or help, we'll need more to go on. All we have is that it appears Daniel doesn't want Asians in his post-apocalypse western themed game. That just doesn't make sense (as has been shown: Asians were around during the real old west, and it's even more likely in a post-apocalyptical world that there will be a variety of ethnicities). As far as group chargen, I have 2 things to say: 1. If your group doesn't like it because they want to keep backstory and some motivations secret, that's fine. The group working together can just discuss basics: class, race, role in the party. That makes sure all bases are covered, and any glaring issues regarding concepts people have can be addressed (eg: I don't think Asians fit the setting) and discussed. 2. If what we're looking at is what I described above, this could have been cut short through group chargen, as it would have come out that someone was playing a character with an Asian background. If there's other parts to this, then there is a chance it may not have helped.
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Post by uselesstriviaman on May 1, 2015 11:44:31 GMT -8
Seems all your responders are misisng this salient point so I thought I should speak up. The problem Daniel has is with YOU. Daniel does not trust YOU. [Thus he is right not to play in your game. You should not want him to.] YOU have addressed is objections to Blake's character, and he does not trust YOU. YOU are going to be his GM? Happy gaming. Fuck off, troll.
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Post by D.T. Pints on May 2, 2015 6:24:31 GMT -8
Oh man now the whole community is going to get divided into the "Daniel Camp" and the "Blake Camp" and its just going to be a huge dramatic, sparkly glitter fight until sundown or as some call it TWILIGHT.
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