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Post by shadrack on Sept 11, 2015 10:03:29 GMT -8
I may enjoy goodbadwrongfun from time to time. ::shrugs:: And you two are right, typically they (Sabbat) were just used as bogeymen and treated very 1-dimensionally. This works quite well as far as having a more 'monstrous' group of Vampires to conveniently pit the (Camarilla) PCs against. And give them some cities to probably stay the hell away from. A convenient foe, equally matched, but with perspective differences. (they look like us, but they all have goatees or much more risque clothing, maybe a scar...). But until the splat books came out I didn't have any idea of 'why do they do this'? What is to be gained? What is the long game? Admittedly, it's hard to puzzle out the long game when a carload of Sabbat open up with uzis on your coterie outside the club. Good luck with the Masquerade after your whole crew stands back up and runs away. "yeah officer, 4 of the people? just got up and ran off, they each got tagged like 20 times. There was blood all over them" It's about hiding in plain sight and controlling the mortal world from behind the throne. You should take a peek at the Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand book. Who does your Prince owe favors to?
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Post by clanhanna on Sept 13, 2015 21:47:10 GMT -8
Hi there: Storyteller for this session chiming in. I'm glad people (not everyone, but some folk) enjoyed listening to the game I ran. Anyone else find it hilariously bad that someone would introduce world of darkness to someone in a sabbat game? They even made the comment early on that they are the bad guys! It's like starting someone in an all evil game in D&D for their first run, aka "What the fuck were you thinking!?" It's like finding out someone is interested in he lord of the rings, then having them play orcs. All in all, a step above playing FATAL, but only because the rules codify less of the twisted shit. Was the driver at the wheel asleep, or high when this idea came up? Or was this just a case of "Yes and" gone wrong where the GM should have just said no? Maybe my reaction is too strong, guess I'll find out if I can make it the rest of the way through the episode. As an aside, if this was a podcast I didn't know, I would have shut it off the second I heard sabbat. Stevensw: I appreciate your feedback. I agree that it is an odd way to introduce people to the World of Darkness, to have them play on the "villains'" side. The lack of visual aspect to the podcast means that the air quotes I used when I described the Sabbat as the "bad guys" wasn't observable. I was introduced to the roleplaying hobby as a whole through a Sabbat game. I have always preferred playing in the Sabbat side of the World of Darkness, but I have run both sides. My primary reason, actually, is that it gives more flexibility to my players. A Camarilla game offers seven clans to choose from (eight, nowadays), with some pretty heavy lifting required to justify any others. A Sabbat game, through antitribu, offers as many as 19 or 20, without nearly so much heavy lifting or justification. For the Actual Play, for my first RECORDED session, I wanted to run that which was most familiar to me, to reduce as much of my own nervousness as I could. Having listened back to the session, I have learned a couple things, one of them being that I have a much more frequent and annoying nervous laugh than I ever realized.
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Post by Probie Tim on Sept 14, 2015 5:29:13 GMT -8
The guy who runs oWoD Vampire at Strategicon. Hey, man, can I join that club? I'm thinking about running some LA by Fire one-shots next con.
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Post by shadrack on Sept 14, 2015 5:59:06 GMT -8
Hey clanhanna Don't let the hater(s) get you down. The game was a treat to listen to, thank you very much not only for running, but for letting the game be recorded and sent out through the tubes for us to listen to.
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Post by Probie Tim on Sept 14, 2015 7:55:22 GMT -8
I agree that it is an odd way to introduce people to the World of Darkness, to have them play on the "villains'" side. Last night, Stu said that it didn't seem weird at all to play Sabbat first. Personally, I think it would be easier to start playing V:tM as Sabbat, if you'd never played before. It's certainly an easier type to play to if you don't have any V:tM knowledge: "You're an undead monster who drinks the blood of the living to survive and thinks of the living the same way we think of cows... so go do that. Go be that." I'll have to go listen to the AP now.
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Post by sbloyd on Sept 14, 2015 8:45:13 GMT -8
Is it my imagination or does JiB's verbal tic go away when he does his Louisiana voice?
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Post by jazzisblues on Sept 14, 2015 9:52:35 GMT -8
Is it my imagination or does JiB's verbal tic go away when he does his Louisiana voice? *facepalms, cuts out own vocal chords* All kidding aside, it's probably a result of speaking more slowly and deliberately. My sincere apologies to any listeners who have in any way been distressed or enjoyed the show less because of my voice or speech or anything that I have said. JiB
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Post by yeknom on Sept 14, 2015 18:47:15 GMT -8
My sincere apologies to any listeners who have in any way been distressed or enjoyed the show less because of my voice or speech or anything that I have said. What do you mean? Hearing your voice is great because it means the hosts aren't complaining about the length of your emails.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 19:06:58 GMT -8
I agree that it is an odd way to introduce people to the World of Darkness, to have them play on the "villains'" side. Last night, Stu said that it didn't seem weird at all to play Sabbat first. Personally, I think it would be easier to start playing V:tM as Sabbat, if you'd never played before. It's certainly an easier type to play to if you don't have any V:tM knowledge: "You're an undead monster who drinks the blood of the living to survive and thinks of the living the same way we think of cows... so go do that. Go be that." You are right. It is easier to murder your way through problems. Building a character that can murder anything is very easy when you are willing to allow almost anything from the book. I'll be the flying koldun who can rain fire like an angry god. Or perhaps the city gangrel capable of turning into the invisible blender of doom? It is harder to play a character struggling with their inner beast and their oppression by the elders. Much easier to treat the game like a session of D&D where you are judge, jury, and executioner and you have absolutely no restrictions. The masquerade? Fuck it.
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Post by Probie Tim on Sept 14, 2015 19:28:28 GMT -8
...did someone running a Sabbat game run over your dog or something?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 19:54:36 GMT -8
...did someone running a Sabbat game run over your dog or something? Basicly. I've played with the flying koldun before, and many others aside. Between them and the creepy people I've sworn off random OWOD groups. I could get into how the game changes in tone based on a lack of morality in a sabbat themed game, but I've come to understand that is why people play it. They don't want to be punished via humanity mechanics or sect politics for doing awful things ( generally in the few of the general public ).
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Post by sbloyd on Sept 15, 2015 4:31:51 GMT -8
Is it my imagination or does JiB's verbal tic go away when he does his Louisiana voice? *facepalms, cuts out own vocal chords* All kidding aside, it's probably a result of speaking more slowly and deliberately. My sincere apologies to any listeners who have in any way been distressed or enjoyed the show less because of my voice or speech or anything that I have said. JiB Honestly? Waaaay back when you started I hated the sound of your voice. But in retrospect I think it was more a manifestation of jealousy than anything else. I don't notice it anymore - except when I noticed its lack when you were doing Dagobert's voice. I thought it was interesting, and so pointed it out.
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Post by sbloyd on Sept 15, 2015 5:05:55 GMT -8
...did someone running a Sabbat game run over your dog or something? Basicly. I've played with the flying koldun before, and many others aside. Between them and the creepy people I've sworn off random OWOD groups. I could get into how the game changes in tone based on a lack of morality in a sabbat themed game, but I've come to understand that is why people play it. They don't want to be punished via humanity mechanics or sect politics for doing awful things ( generally in the few of the general public ). It sounds more like you've gamed with some assholes, and you're blaming the game for it. Admittedly I could see how said assholes might have been more drawn to a Sabbat-themed game over a Camarilla-themed one. I do want to reiterate that for first-time Vampire players, in a convention game environment where time is limited, a Sabbat-themed game might be the better way to go simply because you don't have all the (for lack of a better word) baggage that the Camarilla weighs its adherents down with - you can just go out and be a vampire. It's going to be rough enough figuring out how to mechanically play your character without having to worry about the Masquerade and prestation and all that jazz.
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Post by shadrack on Sept 15, 2015 6:03:10 GMT -8
I can see how/why that could sour your experience. Sounds like a crappy mix of gaming with assholes, and a storyteller who didn't enforce that actions have consequences.
I can say that, fortunately, not all of us had similar experiences.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 15, 2015 7:51:51 GMT -8
To me, it would be like playing a game in Rokugan, but not playing samurai.
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