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Post by Fiona on Sept 10, 2015 20:43:32 GMT -8
This was a great listen. Definitely on par with the other live plays hosted on the Jackers site. I do hope there will be more from this particular group.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 21:46:55 GMT -8
Anyone else find it hilariously bad that someone would introduce world of darkness to someone in a sabbat game? They even made the comment early on that they are the bad guys! It's like starting someone in an all evil game in D&D for their first run, aka "What the fuck were you thinking!?" It's like finding out someone is interested in he lord of the rings, then having them play orcs. All in all, a step above playing FATAL, but only because the rules codify less of the twisted shit. Was the driver at the wheel asleep, or high when this idea came up? Or was this just a case of "Yes and" gone wrong where the GM should have just said no?
Maybe my reaction is too strong, guess I'll find out if I can make it the rest of the way through the episode. As an aside, if this was a podcast I didn't know, I would have shut it off the second I heard sabbat.
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Post by fredrix on Sept 10, 2015 22:46:28 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 0:04:41 GMT -8
This is a separate game that Stu is playing in, not running, nor does it contain the mote of sin title on the file.
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Post by fredrix on Sept 11, 2015 0:43:57 GMT -8
This is a separate game that Stu is playing in, not running, nor does it contain the mote of sin title on the file. Ah! Sorry for confusion. I must admit I thought I'd missed something about the Sabbat in Stu's game.
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Post by sbloyd on Sept 11, 2015 4:01:21 GMT -8
For a con game play test going Sabbat, while I find it distasteful, makes sense. They don't saddle their members with as many restrictions as Camarilla vamps.
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Post by shadrack on Sept 11, 2015 5:26:46 GMT -8
I always found the Sabbat more appealing. I liked the paths of enlightenment view as opposed to the pretending that you were actually still human. Especially if you just dug yourself out of your own grave, and found out monsters are real.
Ventrue Antitribu all the way.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 11, 2015 6:45:55 GMT -8
Yes, this was a convention game playtest.
It's kind of funny that playing the Sabbat is playing the bad guys.
We're playing vampires -- we're *all* bad guys.
Speaking as someone who was pretty unfamiliar with the setting, I didn't think there was anything wrong with us playing Sabbat. Of the four of us playing, I think I was the only one who hadn't played WoD (though maybe JiB as well).
Like I said, I had the mindset that we were playing bad guys anyway.
It sold me enough on the game to want to run it.
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Post by yeknom on Sept 11, 2015 6:57:27 GMT -8
It sold me enough on the game to want to run it. I heard the joy in your voice once you discovered there was active defense.
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Post by ayslyn on Sept 11, 2015 7:01:28 GMT -8
Yeah, I would really use the words pro and antagonist here, instead of good and bad guy...
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Post by shadrack on Sept 11, 2015 7:04:33 GMT -8
"bad" just depends on your perspective. And definitely from a human perspective every vampire is definitely bad. Doesn't really matter what the vampire's personal ethos is, if the result is that you (as a poor human) loose blood/agency/life just to provide fuel for said vampire. From the Sabbat point of view, the Camarilla is the "bad" team. Poor delusional Camarilla, "woefully unprepared for the final nights. They will be torn apart, the whole time bleating their delusions of superiority." ah, I had forgotten so much of this.
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Post by sbloyd on Sept 11, 2015 7:04:27 GMT -8
Stu Venable - among the old fogey Vampire players there's often knee jerk reactionism to the idea of playing Sabbat. Originally, the Sabbat were the boogeyman that were out there somewhere, that nobody knew much about. If the Sabbat came to town you were extremely lucky to be a survivor. Then they codified the Sabbat, then they made them playable. Damn kids and their newfangled ideas.
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Post by shadrack on Sept 11, 2015 7:18:55 GMT -8
I think I came in just after the Sabbat handbooks landed in Waldenbooks or B. Dalton Booksellers. Also the "Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand" book (which my younger self truely believed was awesome, my current self would need to re-read it).
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Post by Probie Tim on Sept 11, 2015 9:18:38 GMT -8
I have never been able to grok the idea of the Sabbat as a playable character type. To me, the game of Vampire is about trying to balance your character's inherent monster-dom against their humanity. It's about hiding in plain sight and controlling the mortal world from behind the throne. It's about fighting against becoming the Sabbat, even though it might be in your nature to do just that. Every once in a while you can let loose and do some twisted shit, but doing twisted shit all the time gets tiring. In my games, the Sabbat are universally the bad guys. I treat them as sbloyd mentioned above: the scary boogeyman out there waiting to get you, and if you survive an attack you're lucky. I'm not even a big fan of Sabbat Antitribu characters. All that said, I don't begrudge anyone who wants to play Sabbat or in Sabbat games. They're just not my cup of tea.
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Post by sbloyd on Sept 11, 2015 9:22:31 GMT -8
As I've said elsewhere, I have the feeling in my gut that if you're playing Sabbat, you're doing it wrong. I don't want to be that guy who tells you you're bad for having fun in a different way than I am, but there it is. At least I know I have a problem.
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