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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 19:26:35 GMT -8
Is he really any different than Vader? Someone gave him bad news and he'd choke them, possibly to death. The Dark side is not about self control, its about letting your hate free. I think the only difference in Vader or the Emperor to Kylo is they had more of a Machiavelian side to them. Kylo is a young person though, he hasn't the patience for the long game.
I also think he won't remain the bad guy but will return to the light, tortured over his father's murder. We already saw him struggle to stay on the dark side path. I think his arc is going to be one about growing up, etc.
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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Dec 29, 2015 8:07:22 GMT -8
I watched the movie again over the Holidays and paid closer attention to Poe. Did anyone else get a bit of a gay vibe from him? Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I was thinking how forward and cool it would be if the best pilot in the Resistance was gay and JJ just never bothered to tell anyone because it shouldn't be a big deal.
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Post by Stu Venable on Dec 29, 2015 8:58:18 GMT -8
When I read the book, I got the impression that Alan Dean Foster was telegraphing a "thing" between Poe and Finn. There's an awkward moment when they hug.
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Post by jeffrywith1e on Jan 1, 2016 7:26:13 GMT -8
When I read the book, I got the impression that Alan Dean Foster was telegraphing a "thing" between Poe and Finn. There's an awkward moment when they hug.
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 2, 2016 2:06:27 GMT -8
Well at least the conversation has turned such that a separate spoilers thread no longer needs to be created (as it appears no one who has read this thread hasn't already seen the movie/read the book). Poe Damon being gay - more than likely. I've noticed that Disney has, in a very understated way, already introduced several 'canon' gay characters. In 'Aftermath' one on the main protagonists is gay, and it is only mentioned in brief conversation where two characters are talking at cross purposes and the clarification of his sexual preferences resolves the potential misunderstanding. In the same book the sister and aunt of two of the main protagonists is, several times, noted to have a wife . . . who we even meet during the narrative. No explanation is given, it's treated as a' matter of fact' - which is (IMHO) the best treatment one could hope for. There are several theories about different things, but clarification is needed: 1) How old is Ben Solo? which ties in with how long ago did he become Kylo Ren and how long ago was the Jedi Academy Massacre? Ultimately, how long has Luke Skywalker been missing? 2) One theory suggests that Rey is a surviving Padawan of said Massacre. Again that depends on how long ago it happened as to whether or not this theory holds water 3) Is Rey a Skywalker? whatever she is she isn't Ben Solo's twin (unless twins are born years apart in the Star Wars Galaxy). BUT she is strong with the force and natural pilot - with out any apparent formal training she gives even the likes of Poe Damon a run for his money during the initial 'Flight of the Falcon'. Is that because she has a gift (like Luke and Anakin) or simply because the Falcon is 'sportscar' spaceship - built to handle well regardless the skill of the pilot?. She is also a gifted 'tinkerer', as evidenced by her running repairs on the Falcon - like a certain young Anakin. Could she even be a convergence in the Force like Anakin (born sans father), which would explain her shared Skywalker traits as 'inherited' (so to speak) from the Force rather than from any direct Skywalker Bloodline; ie: the Skywalker traits are the Force manifest rather than Skywalker inherited, traits shared by Skywalkers because of their shared connection to the Force. 4) Is Finn actually Lando's son - stolen when he was a child?, which would explain Lando's absence in the first movie. Billy Dee has hinted at reprising his role in Ep VIII but it remains unconfirmed. Maybe the injured Finn needs a donor craft for his back, requiring a genetic screening which will reveal his true parentage - bringing Lando back into the fight? 5) Lor San Tekka? a thinly veiled nod to George Lucas handing over the reigns? I think so, given for Poe (Disney) it's 'General Organa' while for Tekka 'she will always be royalty to me' referencing Lucas's predilection for Royal heritages and privileged bloodlines (sorry George, but again, FUCK Midachlorines in the arse with a rusty spiked codpiece) Any other speculations? Aaron
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Jan 2, 2016 18:07:00 GMT -8
I can't think of anything about the big bad weapon I liked and it just felt wrong how Jedi powers developed. (Suddenly the importance of training seems to be out the window.) I imagine that last part will be later explained away in a inadequate fashion. Despite these things that bothered me, I enjoyed the flick when I saw it with my wife, and still enjoyed watching it with my daughter a few days later.
At moment I think I like 7 more than 1-4 at least.
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Jan 2, 2016 18:19:04 GMT -8
2) One theory suggests that Rey is a surviving Padawan of said Massacre. Again that depends on how long ago it happened as to whether or not this theory holds water 3) Is Rey a Skywalker? At moment I'm assuming Rey is Luke's kid. They seem to be pointing pretty hard at that. But it seems odd to me that she wouldn't remember it despite the young age. Perhaps Luke had a bit of fun and didn't know he knocked someone up? Or perhaps he hid that part of his life from her? I don't think the folks involved would be willing to ever mention Midi-chlorians so I think an Anakin v2 is off the table.
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 3, 2016 6:21:19 GMT -8
2) One theory suggests that Rey is a surviving Padawan of said Massacre. Again that depends on how long ago it happened as to whether or not this theory holds water 3) Is Rey a Skywalker? At moment I'm assuming Rey is Luke's kid. They seem to be pointing pretty hard at that. But it seems odd to me that she wouldn't remember it despite the young age. Perhaps Luke had a bit of fun and didn't know he knocked someone up? Or perhaps he hid that part of his life from her? I don't think the folks involved would be willing to ever mention Midi-chlorians so I think an Anakin v2 is off the table. Been listening to the 'Force Awakens' audio book during drive to work and noted that Rey says to BB8, quite pointedly, that her being on Jakku is "confidential and a big secret too". Also she implies that she is a qualified pilot as, when Finn asks during the first dash to the Falcon "we need a pilot", she replies "you've got one". The questions is, as qualified pilot, why has she never left Jakku, even if only briefly to 'get ahead in life' as I'm sure there would be a demand for even an intra/interplanetary independent pilot. More importantly, if she has never left Jakku since she was a child, how did she acquire those piloting skills/qualifications?. Why is Finn surprised that Rey believes that 'Luke Skywalker' is just a myth? There is an awful lot more to the Rey character than we have seen so far . . . Aaron
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Post by ayslyn on Jan 3, 2016 9:52:09 GMT -8
Well, to be fair, the "Why is she so attached to Jakku?" question is answered. She's afraid to leave for too long because she's waiting for someone to come back. She's terrified of missing that reunion, so she won't stray from Jakku.
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Jan 3, 2016 11:27:58 GMT -8
I guess I didn't put much significance into her being a pilot.
She's a pilot. She can fight. She's athletic and a climber. She knows the layout of a YT-1300 (The Falcon). She's able to fix/break all sorts of stuff. She understands Shyriiwook and can speak a few other languages. She doesn't apparently have much need for jedi training. I don't know how many points in GURPS she is, but its not trivial.
She's a Mary Sue but it doesn't bother me as she's in a series of stories with other Mary Sues / Marty Stus. So when she declared herself a pilot, my reaction was "Sure! Just get to flying and doing other cool stuff! Where's my popcorn!?!"
If nothing else she needed to be in a position to replace Han.
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 3, 2016 11:32:37 GMT -8
Well, to be fair, the "Why is she so attached to Jakku?" question is answered. She's afraid to leave for too long because she's waiting for someone to come back. She's terrified of missing that reunion, so she won't stray from Jakku. Which again leads to the question, how did she become such a competent SPACE pilot if she virtually never left Jakku since being a child? Luke's proficiency with an X-Wing is (poorly) explained because of his experience with the T-16 Skyhopper and his youthful highspeed hijinks in Beggar's Canyon (where the handling of a snubfighter is pretty analogous to said T-16). But Rey, once she 'gets her eye in', is throwing a small freighter around like a, very skillful, madwoman. To be fair though, in the book, it does say she used to sneak into the junkyard and familarise herself with the workings of the various craft therein and that the impressive nature of her initial flight through the wreckage was more because of her familiarity with the terrain than her fast relex's/skill . . . Aaron
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Post by mook on Jan 3, 2016 13:53:20 GMT -8
I may be reading too much into it, but I think they're leaning towards her latent Force abilities giving a big hand up. Immediately following her flipping the Falcon into a horizontal freefall so Finn can destroy the last Tie with his frozen gun, they meet by the gunner's tube and say something like:
Finn: "That's impressive flying." Rey: "Thanks." Finn: "How did you do that?" Rey: "I don't know."
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 3, 2016 15:21:51 GMT -8
I also wonder if they filmed the missing scenes from the book - if so I'll bet we'll get an extended edition release similar to LOTR and The Hobbit. Aaron
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Jan 3, 2016 19:30:59 GMT -8
I may be reading too much into it, but I think they're leaning towards her latent Force abilities giving a big hand up. Immediately following her flipping the Falcon into a horizontal freefall so Finn can destroy the last Tie with his frozen gun, they meet by the gunner's tube and say something like: Finn: "That's impressive flying." Rey: "Thanks." Finn: "How did you do that?" Rey: "I don't know."That's a fair point. Some young Anakin in that.
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Post by sbloyd on Jan 4, 2016 6:38:48 GMT -8
Which again leads to the question, how did she become such a competent SPACE pilot if she virtually never left Jakku since being a child? I can't cite my source, but since seeing the movie last week I've been listening to various spoilercasts that I'd previously avoided. There's some mention either in the novel, or somewhere, that Rey scavenges a flight simulator and practices on it nightly.
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