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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Jan 4, 2016 10:14:58 GMT -8
Listening to the most recent podcast with FTA spoilers, and regarding the manipulation of the blaster bolt we did see something like it once before when Vader literally pimp slapped bolts with his hand using the force. Since we know that Kylo Ren is supposed to idolize Vader I suppose it could be seen as going beyond Vader's powers to stop the bolt mid air and hold it there Matrix style.
And I'm in the "Rey is Luke's child" camp since the pasts are a little too similar and dropping your kid off on a desert planet seems like a good MO for Luke because it worked before. Beyond that my second theory is she might be Kylo's child so as to fulfill the "I am your father" quota for this trilogy.
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Post by Bill Roper on Jan 4, 2016 15:09:32 GMT -8
A theory that my wonderful bride put forth about Rey is that she is a kind of "Force Mimic", in that she can take on aspects or knowledge that she observes. When she's on the Falcon with Han, she picks up everything instantly, even completing / simultaneously saying his sentences. After having Kylo in her mind, she is able to push him bak out and even reads his thoughts. This, of course, leads to her suggestion ability with the Stormtrooper to set her free. When she finally wields Luke's lightsaber, she's competent (beyond being an obviously skilled staff fighter) AFTER seeing Kylo and Finn go at it.
The other AWESOME theory she brought up was in connection to Finn. He picks up and wields as lightsaber. While there has been some disagreement on whether you NEED to be a Force User to use a lightsaber, after some thought an research, I believe the answer is yes. Non-Force Users can indeed use a lightsaber. HOWEVER - with a lightsaber you have a melee weapon that has as much of a chance of damaging you as it does damaging your enemy UNLESS you are trained with melee weapons AND can use Force Powers to do the extra stuff like deflect blaster bolts (it requires being able to predict where a shot that moves at that high of a velocity will land) and you can’t really beat a Jedi or Sith with one unless you are Force Sensitive or otherwise enhanced.
BUT, as Elspeth noted, what if you DID need to have a connection to the Force to properly wield a lightsaber (hard to know what is and isn't exactly canon yet - Han used one in a certainly canon film, but he just turned it on, sliced open a carcass, and shut it off - he never fight with it). If this is the case, maybe Finn is the son of Mace Windu.
Now THAT would be crazy!
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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Jan 4, 2016 15:14:42 GMT -8
Ah, kinda like she is able to do the Battle Meditation like in KotoR.
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Jan 4, 2016 20:41:13 GMT -8
Beyond that my second theory is she might be Kylo's child so as to fulfill the "I am your father" quota for this trilogy. Kylo would have to have knocked someone up when he was around 9 or 10. I do kinda like the idea of Rey being the offspring of a dark jedi but I don't see an already established option for it. Another idea I kinda like (but have no reason to expect it) is that Rey is also Han's kid. More inspiration for Darth Emo to keep Emoing on.
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Post by gandalftheplaid on Jan 4, 2016 20:47:04 GMT -8
A theory that my wonderful bride put forth about Rey is that she is a kind of "Force Mimic", in that she can take on aspects or knowledge that she observes. I kinda dig this. Helps me deal with the whole "I don't need training to whup your butt" thing. There could also be a reason another for Luke to hide her: A fear that a mimic ability would make her even more susceptible to going bad.
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 5, 2016 7:59:59 GMT -8
In the new canon anyone can wield a lightsaber... force users are just better at it. In the new run of the Marvel comics R2 supplies everyone with sabers he had secreted in his housing because they were otherwise defenseless. Vader has several rivals that use sabers but have no force sensitivity, Vader even scornfully remarks that their apparent force use is no more than enhanced technological trickery. Sticking with films . . . Grievious uses lightsabers without any other evidence of any force sensitivity. Knowing Darth Emo's age would a lot . . . assuming he was born pretty soon after Endor he'd be about 30. Still too young to be Rey's dad but old enough to have been a Jedi in training who then wiped out the Jedi students with the other Knights of Ren (other students also seduced by the darkside or outsiders - perhaps an off shoot of the Cult of Vader mentioned in Aftermath). If Ben Solo was properly angsty I'd guess he turned when he was about 15 to 17 yrs old (and never emotionally matured beyond that) so that would mean: Luke has been missing for about 13 to 15yrs and Rey would have been between 4 to 7 yrs old when the Jedi were wiped out by Kylo. The same age she appears to be in her vision when she is left on Jakku. Maybe her parents where coming back except they can't (because they're dead). More specifically maybe she is Luke's child and her mother was another force sensitive who, sensing the trouble at the Academy, leaves Rey to rush to assist them . . . only to fall before the Knights of Ren. Luke doesn't know their daughter was left on Jakku and so assumes both mother and child fell to Kylo's emo-rage (someone probably told Ben 'Twilight' was shit and that set him off with his gang of goth buddies). It's fair to assume Luke wasn't actually present during the massacre as a Jedi with a reputation that causes the Supreme Leader concern should easily have been able to defeat a band of emo-goth-larpers - given Kylo would have only just come into his angst-side power. There is the other thing as well, Rey is waiting for her 'family' not her mother or her father. 'Family' much like a 'youngling' would refer to an order into which they had been inducted . . . Aaron
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Post by Bill Roper on Jan 5, 2016 9:39:21 GMT -8
In the new canon anyone can wield a lightsaber... force users are just better at it. In the new run of the Marvel comics R2 supplies everyone with sabers he had secreted in his housing because they were otherwise defenseless. Vader has several rivals that use sabers but have no force sensitivity, Vader even scornfully remarks that their apparent force use is no more than enhanced technological trickery. Sticking with films . . . Grievious uses lightsabers without any other evidence of any force sensitivity. There are tons of examples of non-force users wielding light sabers. A great breakdown of this is found on Ask a Jedi: Han Solo did it, but didn’t fight with it. In a non-canon story Boba Fett did it. In Episode III, the Clone Wars animated series, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars General Grevious does it. In Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 2 Pre Viszla does it as well as one of the thieves who stole Ahsoka’s lightsabers. In season 3 of the same show we know Cad Bane jumps on the bandwagon as well. Finally we have Anja Gallandro, who appeared in Star Wars: Young Jedi Knights in the novel Return to Ord Mantell by Kevin J Anderson and Rebecca Moestra. So we have numerous canon examples of it happening. So why don’t we see any more of them out there? Well, to be honest, they aren’t very good weapons unless you are Force Sensitive. You need the Force to block blaster bolts with them because that requires being able to predict where a shot that moves at that high of a velocity will land. You can’t really beat a Jedi with one unless you are Force Sensitive or otherwise enhanced. Pre Viszla got more or less humiliated by Obi-wan Kenobi when he tried it. General Grevious had to rely on cybernetic augmentation and we saw how that didn’t help much against Obiwan. Boba Fett even lost the second Darth Vader decided to use the Force against him. Anja Gallandro was only as effective as she was with her lightsaber because she was hopped up on drugs, even then it was shown how sloppy and unrefined she was compared to a Jedi. The Thief that tried it was easily beaten by an old and physically infirm Jedi Master in one motion. Yes, having a lightsaber is cool. And yes, it can cut through just about everything. But it is still bringing a knife to a blaster fight unless you have the powers needed to make up for not having the force.
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Post by ayslyn on Jan 5, 2016 20:41:00 GMT -8
There is also the idea that they aren't in wide circulation. SW:tOR suggests that only someone trained in the Force can make one...
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Post by mrmanowar on Jan 5, 2016 21:08:25 GMT -8
Regarding "Canon" and all that, well, as a longtime George RR Martin reader, I will experience that soon when season 6 launches as far as a TV show overtaking "canon" in a sense. For me, tell an entertaining story, keep us talking about it, building up theories, etc. until the next movie is released. I am more casual. I realize that in this digital era, there are a LOT of books, a lot of comics, a lot of peripheral stuff that adds detail, but I try to disengage my mind and put the movies on their own merit. I was pleased with The Force Awakens. Even if it played out like a rehash of the first movie (Episode IV to avoid confusion) updated for a new generation. I was entertained, try not to read too much into theories, etc. and will go see the next one in a few years or whatever. For me in movies now, it's hard to really get excited about plot premise and where the future lies anymore. Too many spoilers, etc. get revealed early on. The closest thing now is analog, yep, books where the author doesn't give spoilers away. Not to say that ARC readers don't reveal things, but it is to say that in my opinion everyone gets a fair shot at getting the book, i.e. the next book in a given series. I like books since I get to use my own imagination to fill in the gaps. Back to topic, I don't mind reading Star Wars theories, but that's what they are, or maybe postulations would be a better term.
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 6, 2016 3:30:27 GMT -8
The speculation is what keeps the interest alive between movies. It's like free publicity for the next 18 months for the next chapter. Dare we forget the years of speculation before the final release of the Deathly Hallows with Harry Potter - gives the fans something to do I always suspected that Chris Carter never knew where he was going from one X-Files season to the next and that he just used to lurk on the internets for ideas generated by the fanboys. Aaron
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 8:26:27 GMT -8
A theory that my wonderful bride put forth about Rey is that she is a kind of "Force Mimic", in that she can take on aspects or knowledge that she observes. I kinda dig this. Helps me deal with the whole "I don't need training to whup your butt" thing. There could also be a reason another for Luke to hide her: A fear that a mimic ability would make her even more susceptible to going bad. So I've not read the novelization but reading this article about what it fills in raises an interesting idea - that Rey had had her memories blocked and Kylo digging into her mind may have broken through some of that.
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Post by Kainguru on Jan 7, 2016 9:28:15 GMT -8
I kinda dig this. Helps me deal with the whole "I don't need training to whup your butt" thing. There could also be a reason another for Luke to hide her: A fear that a mimic ability would make her even more susceptible to going bad. So I've not read the novelization but reading this article about what it fills in raises an interesting idea - that Rey had had her memories blocked and Kylo digging into her mind may have broken through some of that. That was the impression I got on my first viewing of the film Aaron
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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Jan 7, 2016 13:13:26 GMT -8
I just got the impression she was an independent Jedi who don't need no Master! *snaps fingers*
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Post by weaselcreature on Jan 15, 2016 13:09:43 GMT -8
2. "Huh, Kylo Ren is the least frightening bad guy ever. He has temper tantrums. And, while his Force powers are impressive, he's weak willed." Had the same observations watching the film. The second time I saw it, Kylo Ren bothered me even more, but I figured they made him kind of lame so he can have an interesting character arc later on. I'm also thinking they're going to give him a good character arc with a lot of depth. They established already that he's torn inside, but when you think about his childhood, you can see how he ended up where he is. Mom and Dad, heroes of the War, possibly never married, though. Mom is super important and spends a lot of her time helping build the New Republic and isn't around much for her son. Dad is important as well, probably helping with the New Republic as well, but also not one for commitment and settling down; probably doesn't know how to raise a kid very well, and probably isn't around much either. Uncle is the only Jedi left. Hero of the War as well, and vital the rebirth of the Jedi. Even Uncle Chewie is a Hero of the War. So here he is. Son and family of all these heroes. The first (probably) hope in the rebirth of the Jedi, but he's also a kid who's had no decent parenting. How's he going to live up to them? Also, he wants to rebel, but how does one in his position rebel? Steal stuff? Hah! Dad did that, big whoop. Inside he's angry and alone, and along comes stupid-named Snoke (or one of his agents) and slowly plants the seed...your Grandfather...now THERE'S a Force wielder with POWER and vision! You're his family! You have access to that power! The seed grows in this young emo, turning him from his family into the troubled emo-monster in the movie. Room for growth there...I hope.
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Post by jeffrywith1e on Jan 16, 2016 8:14:20 GMT -8
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