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Post by CreativeCowboy on Mar 25, 2012 22:27:12 GMT -8
Panos, the Greek guy from our RPG group, told me about this last night at my birthday party so I am sharing it with everyone on the forums. Please also mention it on the show because, I guess, this is EXACTLY the kind of thing Stu would get into because of the crunch involved. Steve Jackson’s play tested charts has nothing on FULL-CONTACT MEDIEVAL FIGHTING. I am excited about this myself because I get a vivid demonstration for our group why WotC’s 6-second round of standard action and move action is an abomination! I am definitely a 1-minute abstraction round AD&D 1e player. (And YAY another push for Group Warsaw! Woot!)
I am a little bleary-eyed this morning after a night of Port, so excuse the typos. If anyone plans to be in the area during 1 – 3 May and wants to take a side trip to Warsaw for this, we would be happy to help organize you by being your boots on the ground. I cannot imagine anyone into RPGs wanting to miss this.
The one thing missing to this promo, of course, is the Angry Folk Band music. Seriously, the ABC’s Wide World of Sports music for this on YouTube is questionable.
Aneta has also posted this event to your Facebook wall and to our group.
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Post by fray on Mar 26, 2012 10:55:08 GMT -8
How do you determine being 'killed'? Is it an honor system thing? Do certain nation only fight is a certain style? It seems that the running charge is the "go to" attack.
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Mar 26, 2012 12:31:34 GMT -8
I think it works something like dealing with Internet Trolls, to be honest. You just get worn down by the action. As for the nation thing, I think it's more like the law of the jungle, since there's not much recorded about medieval battles in the colonies. So it's improvised like much of AD&D 1e. Probably why I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 16:51:47 GMT -8
Wow!!! I did SCA heavy fighting for about 5 years. Where I live is known for being the hardest hitting kindom in the society and those guys make us look like a bunch of school girls!!! There's a HUGE difference between SCA rattan "swords" and the blunt steel those guys are swinging, nevermind the very scrict rules of acknowledgement and the complete blindside charging in that video... I so want to do THAT!!!! I agree that there is very little written about mass combat in the medieval period, but there are about half a dozen treatises about single combat and most of those have been translated to modern english and embelished with "How-To" photos: www.thearma.org/Fight-Earnestly.htmwww.historicalfencing.com/Talhoffers-Fight-Book-Blog.htmlrevival.us/chivalrybookshelftitles.aspx
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 17:04:04 GMT -8
Looks like the rules are "no thrusting" and "if you fall down, yu stay down" and that's it...
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Post by jazzisblues on Mar 27, 2012 6:22:43 GMT -8
Wow!!! I did SCA heavy fighting for about 5 years. Where I live is known for being the hardest hitting kindom in the society and those guys make us look like a bunch of school girls!!! There's a HUGE difference between SCA rattan "swords" and the blunt steel those guys are swinging, nevermind the very scrict rules of acknowledgement and the complete blindside charging in that video... I so want to do THAT!!!! I agree that there is very little written about mass combat in the medieval period, but there are about half a dozen treatises about single combat and most of those have been translated to modern english and embelished with "How-To" photos: www.thearma.org/Fight-Earnestly.htmwww.historicalfencing.com/Talhoffers-Fight-Book-Blog.htmlrevival.us/chivalrybookshelftitles.aspxAnother very good book on the subject is the Fiori de Battaglia (Flower of Battle) one original copy of which is right here in LA at the Getty ... Have to give these guys points for bravery, but honestly it looks (to my SCA flavored eyes) like the order of the day is a medievally sauced mugging. In a street fight or a battle absolutely, get them dead the best and easiest way possible. It just rather hurts my chivalric soul to watch. Cheers, JiB
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Post by hoseirrob on Mar 27, 2012 9:11:17 GMT -8
You know what they called people who used chivalry in battles? Corpses.
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Post by jazzisblues on Mar 27, 2012 10:01:41 GMT -8
You know what they called people who used chivalry in battles? Corpses. I do not disagree. Still it makes my chivalric soul weep a bit. JiB
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Post by joegun on Mar 27, 2012 13:58:14 GMT -8
You know what they called people who used chivalry in battles? Corpses. We had a similar discussion on this when one of our Distance Learning students asked about Knife Disarms ( we teach a knife fighting class ). We had an open discussion about it and the conclusion was: Knife disarming is a waste of time and will probably get you killed. Just pull your own knife and shank them first Like JiB said not very chivalrous , but very functional
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 15:50:26 GMT -8
I did some digging around on the U.S. team's site last night...
One of the top people is a Duke in the East Kingdom and at least 2, possibly 3 of tghe guys on the team ar in his household, if not his squires....
THAT makes my heart weap!!!
But explains why he's such a D!CK in field battles!!!
I was close to right about the rules, just about everything is legal except running/jumping kicks and thrusts and you are live until you hit the ground on your butt/back or with three points of support (feet being one point each) or you leave the list field (voluntary or otherwise) or you are forced to bend your body more than 50 degrees...
Gang bangs and muggings are permitted, if not encouraged.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 12:40:05 GMT -8
And this is actually blunt steel? Wow! Kudos to those guys for really whacking away at each other and not seeming to notice it! Although the shots of some guys getting swung at repeatably by halberds strech my acceptance to the limit. I don't care how good your plate is, something [u[that[/u] heavy is going to dent, stun or wind you if it its your back/head, nevermind kill you outright. At least that's my idea. What do you folks who actually do reenact have to say about it?
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Post by jazzisblues on Mar 30, 2012 14:28:34 GMT -8
And this is actually blunt steel? Wow! Kudos to those guys for really whacking away at each other and not seeming to notice it! Although the shots of some guys getting swung at repeatably by halberds strech my acceptance to the limit. I don't care how good your plate is, something [u[that [/u] heavy is going to dent, stun or wind you if it its your back/head, nevermind kill you outright. At least that's my idea. What do you folks who actually do reenact have to say about it?[/quote] With plate armor you can hit someone very hard with rebated (dull) steel and not hurt them particularly. Note how much the hafts of the pole arms flex. The blows that I see that are the most dangerous are the edge on blows with the edges of shields and the running charges. Those don't give much and you can hurt someone a lot that way. Cheers, JiB
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 18:58:32 GMT -8
I'm with Jib, the shield edge hits are serious!! In SCA the edge has to be 1.25" to prevent it from entering the face grill and is typically wrapped in heavy water hose and lashed in place. According to those guys rules, shield edges only have to be wrapped in leather or have a rolled edge... That's about .25" to .5" at the most and those guys are hitting at dead run!! I managed to dislocate a girls shoulder with an SCA shield at less than a brisk walk!
If you watch some of thier other videos on YouTube, you will see some neat creases in a couple of helms!
A good 12ga breast plate will block ALOT of force!! It's the weight distrobution of an arch... Those guys require close to historically accurate padding, which works remarkably well considering the tech level!
Think abut the forces during jousting, a 1200+ pound horse and a 200 pound guy in 100 pounds of plate going at 30 miles per hour is a metric sh!t tonne of force at impact and that usually just knocks the guy off his horse and he gets up and walks away (usually) - that armor will take a beatin before it fails.
Before my divorce I would ave JUMPED at the change to play thier game, but now I actually CARE if I get hurt...
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Mar 30, 2012 21:09:27 GMT -8
Before my divorce I would ave JUMPED at the change to play thier game, but now I actually CARE if I get hurt... Eastern European countries, and Poland is known in particular to, have some very pretty women. These guys will find they won't have any trouble with pull here. If they give us a shout on the Facebook group, we/I will show them around.
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Post by CreativeCowboy on Apr 3, 2012 13:59:22 GMT -8
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