sbloyd
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WHAT! A human in a Precursor service vehicle?!
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Preferred Game Systems: Storyteller; Dresden; Mage
Favorite Species of Monkey: Goddamnit, Curious George is a CHIMP not a monkey! Stop teaching my daughter improper classification!
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Post by sbloyd on Mar 17, 2017 12:37:06 GMT -8
Requiem 2E Animalism is so much better...
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 17, 2017 13:02:58 GMT -8
Requiem 2E Animalism is so much better... Its function seems much closer to how Albert characterized it in the Mote AP, especially foisting your Beast's impulses on others. I have to admit, Lord of the Land would be appealing to territorial and insular Tzimisce. And calling predatory and scavenger animals to clean up your bloody messes - also helpful. But can you still call a bison with it?
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 14:59:19 GMT -8
Requiem 2E Animalism is so much better... Its function seems much closer to how Albert characterized it in the Mote AP, especially foisting your Beast's impulses on others. I have to admit, Lord of the Land would be appealing to territorial and insular Tzimisce. And calling predatory and scavenger animals to clean up your bloody messes - also helpful. But can you still call a bison with it? It expands what it can be used on and allows you to create familiars (zombie animals). 2E Protean also has expanded to include several animal features instead of being limited to just Claws and Infrared eye sight, like those hairs that allow a spider to stick to surfaces. It's a good place to look for things to add.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 16:28:06 GMT -8
Got home and read over the weakness. Must rest within proximity of two handfuls of "native soil". Native Soil doesn't have to be where you're born but probably easiest.
Yeah the dirt pouch works easily enough. There's a lot of un-used space in the body of a vampire and you can make use of it with Vicissitude.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 17, 2017 17:17:14 GMT -8
Man, sovereigncitizenkane, you have been a huge help! And you've got me doing research into Louisiana wildlife, which is not something I ever thought I would do for a Vampire game. But I am really stoked about the new directions this character can go as a result - specifically, Florida panthers and black bears. The soil pouch is the smart move - I have been debating, though, on whether or not he would have come up with that solution on his own without someone teaching him that trick. He probably would have at least thought to carry around handfuls of soil in his coat pockets before eventually deciding to line his coat with it.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 17:44:36 GMT -8
Wakefield Glad to help. I think the dirt pouch would be a pretty quick assumption the first time he ever though of hiding something in his body. Even if he doesn't think to make a pouch, storing it while he walks around so as to keep it secret and safe would probably be an easy logical leap. I'd also suggest looking into arthropods. Spiders have some interesting abilities, from nerve toxins to the fact that spider webbing can have a tensile strength stronger than steel. Another way to look at this is that it's a unique take on the Path of Metamorphosis.
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sbloyd
Supporter
WHAT! A human in a Precursor service vehicle?!
Posts: 2,762
Preferred Game Systems: Storyteller; Dresden; Mage
Favorite Species of Monkey: Goddamnit, Curious George is a CHIMP not a monkey! Stop teaching my daughter improper classification!
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Post by sbloyd on Mar 17, 2017 18:25:04 GMT -8
Do you have to touch it, or just be near it?
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 17, 2017 18:38:16 GMT -8
Do you have to touch it, or just be near it? book says within proximity, so it could be in a jar on the night stand, for all the help the book offers.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 17, 2017 22:10:24 GMT -8
Wakefield Glad to help. I think the dirt pouch would be a pretty quick assumption the first time he ever though of hiding something in his body. Even if he doesn't think to make a pouch, storing it while he walks around so as to keep it secret and safe would probably be an easy logical leap. I'd also suggest looking into arthropods. Spiders have some interesting abilities, from nerve toxins to the fact that spider webbing can have a tensile strength stronger than steel. Another way to look at this is that it's a unique take on the Path of Metamorphosis. That's awesome. Spider silk production could produce a textile that could provide some very resilient clothes (admittedly with the dyeing and tailoring to be worked out later, but nothing that Ghouling or Dominate couldn't handle) or at least a protective lining. I thought about venomous snake and scorpion parts - it would have to be discretionary, I'd imagine, because it might make feeding difficult otherwise (having seen what rattlesnake venom does to blood). As a weapon it would be fantastic, especially if the venom were paralytic. Still not completely sure how toxins and venoms affect vamp blood or how ingesting envenomed blood affects Kindred, but I'm going to drop the $48 to get the V20 bundle tonight and hopefully it will tell me.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 18, 2017 1:54:30 GMT -8
Wakefield From what I remember, toxins that affect the blood cause dice penalties instead of doing damage to vamps.
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Post by Monkeyfun Dave on Mar 18, 2017 7:53:51 GMT -8
As a player, I have a harder time trusting Sabbat defectors than I do Setites or even Baali. Just, you know, for whatever that's worth. That's ironic you say that. Maybe someday we'll get to do that Vampire game and see what happens.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 18, 2017 13:27:48 GMT -8
Wakefield From what I remember, toxins that affect the blood cause dice penalties instead of doing damage to vamps. That may well be! The V20 book just states the effects of imbibing poisoned mortal blood, not the effects of poisons on vamp blood itself. But according to the V20 book (p. 301), drinking poisoned blood not only subtracts 1 from all dice pools, but it also deals 1-3 levels of lethal damage to the vampire every scene (or if the poison is potent enough, every turn) until the poison wears off. The Vampire can also purge the blood voluntarily, in which case the effects wear off more quickly. In any case, there's usually a maximum amount of damage these can inflict. So I'm gathering that a Kindred can still drink poisoned blood and derive sustenance, and that poison, while not usually fatal for Kindred, can still weaken them enough to make it a nuisance.
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Mar 18, 2017 14:35:44 GMT -8
Wakefield From what I remember, toxins that affect the blood cause dice penalties instead of doing damage to vamps. That may well be! The V20 book just states the effects of imbibing poisoned mortal blood, not the effects of poisons on vamp blood itself. But according to the V20 book (p. 301), drinking poisoned blood not only subtracts 1 from all dice pools, but it also deals 1-3 levels of lethal damage to the vampire every scene (or if the poison is potent enough, every turn) until the poison wears off. The Vampire can also purge the blood voluntarily, in which case the effects wear off more quickly. In any case, there's usually a maximum amount of damage these can inflict. So I'm gathering that a Kindred can still drink poisoned blood and derive sustenance, and that poison, while not usually fatal for Kindred, can still weaken them enough to make it a nuisance. Also would probably make it hard to feed your ghouls as it would probably stick around for a while.
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 18, 2017 19:27:23 GMT -8
Also would probably make it hard to feed your ghouls as it would probably stick around for a while. Very useful for helping to break a rival Kindred's hold over their lackeys, and for making claims about a plaguebearer in the Kindred community...
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Post by Wakefield on Mar 18, 2017 19:30:07 GMT -8
A further question about the Tzimisce hatred for the Tremere: There is good cause for it, but is this hatred learned/taught or instinctive? Do all newly Embraced Tzimisce feel this antipathy by virtue of their bloodline, or would someone uninitiated in this facet of Kindred history not feel any animosity toward them? Granted it's probably one of the first things any Tzimisce sire worth his/her/its salt teaches a childe.
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