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Post by chronovore on Jan 29, 2018 20:03:02 GMT -8
I want to shout out about the referenced pantheon of gods, including "gods of SCIENCE" who resent their own existence. That's a pretty awesome take on how that'd work. For some reason, it reminded me a bit of Tim Powers' Earthquake Weather, where the ghost of Thomas Edison seems perplexed about his own state of being.
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Post by Fiona on Jan 29, 2018 23:10:14 GMT -8
Just wanted to echo Stu's sentiments on Twilight Samurai. It's a fantastic film, and definitely worth tracking down.
I'd also like to add that Tappy and Kimi on the same show was amazing, and Jason rounded things out perfectly. Great show y'all!
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fredrix
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Post by fredrix on Jan 30, 2018 1:07:51 GMT -8
Yes. I like bed Twilight Samurai too. Saw it on Netflix a while back. Not sure if it’s still there.
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Post by Stu Venable on Jan 30, 2018 8:01:05 GMT -8
According to canistream.it, it's not only not available for streaming anymore, but you can't purchase a stream. Only optical disc.
I wonder if something happened with the rights.
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Post by bobcatt on Jan 30, 2018 11:22:57 GMT -8
I also recommend After the Rain "Ame Agaru" (1999) as an enjoyable samurai film.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 15:21:24 GMT -8
Some of my go-to L5R movies are 13 Assassins and also Inspector Dee. I think a good point was made that while samurai and bushido are forefront in L5R, it isn't Japan, or even really Asia. You seldom see reference to the Lion clan beastmasters - I mean, they're freaking lead packs of lions literally into battle.
I think L5R is great because it's one of those settings that is fun at any level of drill-down. It can be fun as ronin bushi trying to just survive, it can be fun as magistrates or courtiers, it can be fun having knock down drag out fights at max level...
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Post by uncommonman on Jan 30, 2018 15:29:30 GMT -8
What about Six String Samurai?
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Post by chronovore on Jan 30, 2018 17:18:16 GMT -8
fredrix everyone wants to be "Let the right one in" but ends up playing "Let me in" By the way, if you're wondering why Let the Right One In was remade with American actors instead of using the original cast and re-shooting in English, it's this: …I'm just kidding, by the way. I really dislike that Hollywood so consistently remakes other countries' hit movies as American films. And I wish the American audiences would quit repeatedly proving them right through their wallets.
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Post by alverant on Jan 30, 2018 20:24:04 GMT -8
I want to shout out about the referenced pantheon of gods, including "gods of SCIENCE" who resent their own existence. That's a pretty awesome take on how that'd work. For some reason, it reminded me a bit of Tim Powers' Earthquake Weather, where the ghost of Thomas Edison seems perplexed about his own state of being. The way I'd use those gods is that they realized how much faster humans developed when the gods get out of the way. In real history, humans plodded along slowly. We were never more than one bad plague or other natural disaster away from near societal collapse. Then we had the Scientific Method and the Industrial Revolution and suddenly we became masters of the planet (not good masters, but still masters). It took less than a century to go from the first powered aircraft to visiting the moon and sending probes to other planets. So maybe these "gods of science" believe humans are better off without gods and have a divine version of the Prime Directive. Or they may look upon humans the same way parents see their adult children, stepping aside and letting them live their own lives. They could have something like angels in the form of famous scientists and inventors. For example in the ZBS radio/audio drama series "Ruby Galactic Gumshoe" the ghost of Nicholas Telsa is the patron saint of techies and there are technowitches Offonoff and Onoffon.
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Post by andreasdavour on Jan 31, 2018 9:28:05 GMT -8
andreasdavour , your player simply wants to be an Iconic hero, which is a hero that is not changed by the story, but rather "re-imposes order on the world by reasserting his essential selfhood" (Robin Laws) Robin is brilliant, but I think he sometimes goes a bit far when putting everything into the boxes of Iconic and whatever the alternative is. That being said, yes I think you are correct that he likes the concept of his character and wants to be that guy, not to change. It was a simple, but oh so good, piece of advice that I got. Does the player have fun? I was projecting my own feelings about how I want to play. Also, if he see the other characters develop, there are interesting potential for story in that tension as well. Welcome back tappy ! Great to have you back, for tangents, shits and giggles and your gaming insights.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 9:40:36 GMT -8
…I'm just kidding, by the way. I really dislike that Hollywood so consistently remakes other countries' hit movies as American films. And I wish the American audiences would quit repeatedly proving them right through their wallets. In all fairness, this also applies to tv series coming across the Pond, except a decent amount of tv shows that America has adapted have been huge or iconic successes - All in the Family was originally a BBC show, Three's Company came across, the Office... The reason we're so remake-heavy isn't so much us stealing from other countries - which we do - but the nature of the film/media industry. Your elevator-pitch for a movie has to combine two bankable things - like how Jaws + Twister = Sharknado. The suits see that, go 'both of those made money, so we're set'. What kills me the most isn't so much the overkill on remake/reboots, but how now everything has to be a franchise, a trilogy at minimum, and/or a Cinematic Universe. All of those could be things, but to bank on it constantly is asking for a disaster. Let me just go see an awesome movie like the Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus - which survived Heath Ledger's death by shooting scenes where his character is played by Johnny Depp, Jude Law, and Colin Farrell. I don't care if there's even a sequel... YMMV
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Post by uncommonman on Jan 31, 2018 11:47:10 GMT -8
…I'm just kidding, by the way. I really dislike that Hollywood so consistently remakes other countries' hit movies as American films. And I wish the American audiences would quit repeatedly proving them right through their wallets. In all fairness, this also applies to tv series coming across the Pond, except a decent amount of tv shows that America has adapted have been huge or iconic successes - All in the Family was originally a BBC show, Three's Company came across, the Office... The reason we're so remake-heavy isn't so much us stealing from other countries - which we do - but the nature of the film/media industry. Your elevator-pitch for a movie has to combine two bankable things - like how Jaws + Twister = Sharknado. The suits see that, go 'both of those made money, so we're set'. What kills me the most isn't so much the overkill on remake/reboots, but how now everything has to be a franchise, a trilogy at minimum, and/or a Cinematic Universe. All of those could be things, but to bank on it constantly is asking for a disaster. Let me just go see an awesome movie like the Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus - which survived Heath Ledger's death by shooting scenes where his character is played by Johnny Depp, Jude Law, and Colin Farrell. I don't care if there's even a sequel... YMMV I have no problems with American remakes if they add something of value. Survivor was originally Swedish and I don't care if it is remade as long as people enjoy the show. Movies like Let me in and The invisible is horrible because they change the story and makes the movie worse than the original. They should remake bad movies and make them good not remake good movies.
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Post by mrcj on Jan 31, 2018 13:13:21 GMT -8
I love the whole idea of Empire of the Petal Sun. Such a rich world to play in. The old rules are built on the back of, I think, blue box D&D. Listened to an actual play of the game a while back. One of the players rolled for his hit points on the four sided die and got 1. Old school. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_the_Petal_Throne
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Post by Nobody on Jan 31, 2018 13:39:31 GMT -8
Is it wrong that I want my go to playstyle to be 7 Samurai, but it ends up being more like 6 string Samurai?
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Post by ayslyn on Jan 31, 2018 17:18:12 GMT -8
Joseph is correct. People can't control their own emotions, only their reactions to said emotions.
... Except there's a GIANT problem with this. Our characters are not people. They are characters in a story. Now, I can only speak for myself.... But, as a writer, I can say that when *I* am writing, my characters emotions are FULLY in my control. And the players in a game are the writers of their character's role in the story.
Now, I have repeatedly asserted that the player's agency only holds when there are no outside forces. Previously I have specifically mentioned supernatural, psychic powers, or extra-natural forces. That's my bad. Mechanics are absolutely an outside force. The sanity rules from Call of Cthulhu are absolutely in the same basket. They are part of the conceit of the game, and part of the contract that one enters into by playing it. Similarly, Monsterhearts has a similar contract. You are playing teens who don't yet know who they are, and aren't in control of those feelings.
Also, it's entirely an option to say no. But, if it's just as easy to not impose an emotional reaction, why not opt for that? Why not, "What about this inn reminds you of where you grew up?", no imposition of emotion, just as good a leading question.
Also, we keep focusing on fear (with brief forays into awe).... But, would you tell a player that they've fallen in love with someone (again, barring the above caveats)? How often do we (quite rightly) condemn creeper GMs who insist that their female PCs feel lustful toward their NPCs. Or less charged, that they immediately trust an NPC. Honest question. How are those two situations different from telling them that they're afraid of the firefight, or overawed by the Emperor? Which emotions are out of bounds, and why?
You can certainly cede your agency to GMs you can trust. Hell, it's your bloody game, and your character. I'm the last person in the world who'll tell you how you have to play. For me, I believe that it's best to err on the side of the player on this. My GMs respect this, and we're both happy.
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