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Post by EricaOdd on Feb 28, 2018 3:37:55 GMT -8
I think our disconnect here is that I'm talking about options for Player-Characters only, not for the setting at large. I'm annoyed when my choices for my character are restricted by gender.
If there are NPC restrictions, ok, that's part of the world and maybe one of the motivations of my character is to try to change that, but I'd rather not be told my character can't be X because she is XX...
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Post by ayslyn on Feb 28, 2018 4:20:03 GMT -8
And you just said that you are not allowing male priests. How is that not the same thing?
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Post by EricaOdd on Feb 28, 2018 4:54:05 GMT -8
In the Dragon Age setting, priest isn't an option for any PC. The classes are mage, rogue, and warrior. No player-character, not even female ones, has the option of being a priest. It's therefore a restriction that only applies to NPCs, since only NPCs are priests.
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Post by ayslyn on Feb 28, 2018 5:42:34 GMT -8
Narrative or mechanical is irrelevant. If a player came up with a warrior who was a male priest, would you let them? If the answer is no, because men can’t be priests,then my point stands.
If the answer is yes, then my mistake; but, that’s not what you have been saying came across.
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Post by EricaOdd on Feb 28, 2018 6:39:00 GMT -8
I'd say no, but I'd also say no to the player of a female character because priests aren't appropriate as PCs in the setting. There isn't even a class option for them. Mage, rogue, and warrior. That's it. Priests are clergy and church officials. They aren't adventurers. They aren't PCs. They don't have magic. They don't fight. They are NPCs. Neither male nor female PCs are restricted in any way from taking any of the three classes available to PCs. They are PCs. They are adventurers. Priests are not.
And even then, if someone wanted to make a male priest PC by tweaking one of the three classes, there is a country in the setting where men can be priests. There is an option.
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Post by fredrix on Feb 28, 2018 7:43:23 GMT -8
As EricaOdd said, D) Priests in the setting are NPCs anyway. No PC can be a priest, so, male characters are not discriminated against, they have no fewer options than female characters SIW
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Post by weaselcreature on Feb 28, 2018 8:36:06 GMT -8
But it isn't the same... Priest isn't even a PC class in the setting. Male PCs are in no way restricted in what classes they can take. And even if there was there is an option for a male priest. It's exactly the same. You're restricting a character's options for fictional accuracy. They restricted your options for the same reason. Whether those options were mechanical or not is irrelevant. If one is bad, then so is the other. "Priest isn't even a PC class in the setting. Male PCs are in no way restricted in what classes they can take." It is NOT exactly the same. The ONLY restriction in Dragon Age is that NO ONE can be this Priest class, because it's not for PCs anyway. Everything that is open to the PCs is open to all PCs, regardless of gender. In Pendragon, PCs can ONLY be male knights. It's a big difference.
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Post by Kainguru on Mar 2, 2018 2:27:31 GMT -8
Now comes the point in any good debate where we have to drill down into our definitions and make clear delineations as the general topic is broken down into it's constituent parts; with each of those parts being considered separately and in isolation from each other. So far we have: 1) Gender discrimination inherent in a setting eg: a Patriarchal/Matriarchal milieu 2) Gender discrimination inherent in PC choices eg: Class restrictions 3) Gender discrimination in game mechanics eg: Ability/Attribute restrictions They may interact in a 'case by case' basis but each is a very different consideration and one should not be conflated with other. Aaron
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Post by EricaOdd on Apr 14, 2018 13:37:46 GMT -8
Women in Combat Throughout the Ages Here's another one for your impressive list, Tappy! “Aside from the complete warrior equipment buried along with her — a sword, an ax, a spear, armor-piercing arrows, a battle knife, shields, and two horses — she had a board game in her lap, or more of a war-planning game used to try out battle tactics and strategies, which indicates she was a powerful military leader,” Hedenstierna-Jonson said. “She’s most likely planned, led and taken part in battles.” nypost.com/2017/09/08/viking-skeletons-dna-test-proves-historians-wrong/
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Post by EricaOdd on Apr 26, 2018 9:58:37 GMT -8
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