merryprankster
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Post by merryprankster on Aug 27, 2013 14:52:31 GMT -8
Wait, what!? We're not supposed to hit the streets like Jehovah's Witness's and go door to door recruiting people to the hobby?? Fuck! What am I gonna do with the 25 cases of Savage Worlds I ordered to hand out to strangers in an attempt to get them to RP??? Dagnabbit!
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sbloyd
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Post by sbloyd on Aug 27, 2013 15:09:40 GMT -8
Also, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that people shouldn't talk about it or invite new people to give it a try. If you think someone might enjoy it, sure, throw 'em an invite. But this (frankly, freakish) idea that we need to be on street corners, standing behind a pulpit, preaching to the unwashed (or would this be the washed?) masses about the virtues of our hobby is silly. Is it a good thing to introduce new people to the hobby? Sure. Are you some evil, child sacrificing monster if you don't? Well, not necessarily.... I suppose that depends on what happens at your demonic rituals. Me, I find goats easier to procure.... Straw man much? Talking to people about it, or inviting new people to give it a try, is exactly what we're suggesting should be done. I don't know where you got this idea that people are advocating breaking people's doors down with a bag of dice in one hand and a copy of L5R in the other.
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Post by Stu Venable on Aug 27, 2013 15:26:51 GMT -8
I did say, "do you mind if I leave this copy of Dragon Magazine with you?"
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merryprankster
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Post by merryprankster on Aug 27, 2013 15:40:44 GMT -8
I think most of us knew that was a joke Stu.
Although I am loving the image of hordes of fundamentalist nerds hitting the streets to convert the unimaginative.
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Post by ericfromnj on Aug 27, 2013 16:09:24 GMT -8
LOL! Sir Guido, please note you beat me to posting about this and my reactions are purely about what was said on the podcast. Responsibility for growing the hobby? Bullshit. If I have the opportunity I will do so, but I really don't see the grandiose "I want to keep this hobby running after I have passed" or however it was stated. I am here to play. To have fun. To enjoy the company of friends. I agree with the don't be a dick. Also, don't be elitist. But these things should stem out of wanting to treat people like you want to be treated, and not out of growing the hobby for mine or future generations. If we won't then who will? If it is someone else's responsibility to promote the hobby who then are we going to trust with that? Do we really want the mouth breathing neckbeard min-maxing munchkin to be the representative of the hobby? Do we want to turn around 10 years from now and every company that was publishing games is out of business and there's nothing new being published and all there is to play is the last version of ... (fill in the blank). More people playing = more money in the market place = more profit = more games and game stuff being produced. I'm not being altruistic or noble. I'm being totally fucking selfish. I want more stuff published to play. The only way to guarantee that is to get more people playing the games. JiB YOU can. Anyone who has the desire and drive and makes the choice can. However, I say bullshit to it being "our" responsibility to grow the hobby. If I have the opportunity, I do go out and get people to try Savage Worlds, and have new players sit in the game. But by no means is it my responsibility to do so. We can do it out of choice, but never suggest it is an obligation.
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Post by ericfromnj on Aug 27, 2013 16:13:18 GMT -8
Email after email has "there are no good players around here" and not just on this podcast. See, I must be in some bizarro area of the country because I could run 4 different games and not have player overlap if I wanted to with people I altogether consdier decent (even if some of them don't like each other)... ...then again I brought about a quarter of them into the hobby so fucking son of a JiB may have something... fuck. I need a nap.
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sbloyd
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Post by sbloyd on Aug 27, 2013 16:39:09 GMT -8
The way I see it, the "our responsibility" thing is just another way to say not to expect someone else to do it for you. If you want more gamers around, don't wait them to sprout from the ground like mushrooms after an autumn rain. Post on meetup, see if you can hang flyers at the bookstore, see if there's a gaming club at the local college...
I speak from the experience of someone who, for about twenty years, just said to myself "Man, there's nobody who games around here," shrugged, and figured I wouldn't be gaming again for a while.
If you're in a situation where you game as often as you like, live in an area with a good enough sized gamer population, good on you. Me, I've met maybe five in my local area, and most have been very much the stereotypical basement dwellers (though we don't have basements here), and have started taking steps to change that.
Largely, the biggest argument I'm seeing here is over SEMANTICS. Some of y'all are saying "It's not my responsibility. I get new people into gaming, let them sit in, I teach folks new games" ... well, guess what? you're not the problem. You're already part of the solution. The problem is the people who cling to our hobby as THE PRESCIOUSSSS, folks like the train store guys Stu has bumped into, that jealously guard our hobby and hipsteresquely brush the curious aside, or worse actively thrust them away. I'm not saying every time someone expresses an interest in gaming that you are duty-bound to introduce them into your Savage Worlds game that weekend (though I did that wort of thing a lot way back when; sometimes it worked great... sometimes it didn't), but for the sake of everything that's holy don't turn up your nose at them.
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Post by ayslyn on Aug 27, 2013 20:34:45 GMT -8
Good Lord, people. No, of course I wasn't saying that people were suggesting we break out a DMG and hit a street corner to preach. That's the whole bloody point of outrageous hyperbole, after all....
Unless you all actually think I'm sacrificing goats in my basement.... In which case, all I can say is that you can't prove a thing, and you'll never find the bodies.
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Post by Kainguru on Aug 28, 2013 1:25:31 GMT -8
Did someone say goats and demonic rituals? . . . Let me grab my goat grease and gimp mask and count me in . . . Aaron
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maxinstuff
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Post by maxinstuff on Aug 28, 2013 3:57:32 GMT -8
Indeed it is. Followed closely by disseminating made-up stuff. Now THAT is everyone's responsibility.
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druggeddwarf
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Post by druggeddwarf on Aug 28, 2013 9:58:33 GMT -8
I just wanted to say: guys. The second you pick up a 20 sided die, rulebook, character sheet, you are promoting the hobby. Just playing the game with other people, even if they are your basement dwelling friends, is promoting the hobby. Because fun is addictive, and the more fun you have with people, the more they will want to share that with others.
people who will watch you sloshing through character sheets will be interested in what you do if you sound like you are having a damn good time doing it. If you must have a responsibility that everyone can agree on, then let it be that you should have a damn good time playing. That's How I got into it. Just focus on that.
Also, where I'd the jackercon 2 thread?
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Nolinquisitor
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Post by Nolinquisitor on Aug 28, 2013 11:23:37 GMT -8
Was re-listening episode 12 and I have to get this out of my system.
The guy who wrote about Batman being re-invented and who ask "what's the real Batman anways?" and then proceed to tell that Man of Steel is a shitty movie because the chracter is all about hope and the American Way...
That's ironic, telling us characters get re-invented all the times and then telling us that a re-invented Superman suck because he did not look at the sky, his eyes full of hope, while waving the American Flag. B.S.!
How can we take that seriously? What's the real Superman anyways? That same whole thing applies to Superman too.
Most comic book fans liked Man of Steel and that listener only flaged himself as a non-fan or a non-comic book fan. It was a great movie and had soul. And this time Superman did get to PUNCH peoples to the face and show real emotions, instead of being always goddamn perfect.
Pacific Rim was average (yes I said it). All the goddamn japanese mecha stereotypes was is there: the bad ass japanese girl who know martial arts, the harsh but caring mentor, the two scientist nerds klutz, the hateful and proud ace pilot rival. Even that Ron Perlman death scene showed a great incompetence in pacing and we all saw that coming by a mile.
There, I feel better. Comic book geek rage... over.
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Post by mook on Aug 28, 2013 13:03:16 GMT -8
Random 'cast-related factoid: maybe it is a West Coast regional thing...I never heard "Gooch" as "Taint" until California. Except, of course, as the bully from Diff'rent Strokes when I was a kid.
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RobMITC
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Post by RobMITC on Aug 28, 2013 13:27:10 GMT -8
Random 'cast-related factoid: maybe it is a West Coast regional thing...I never heard "Gooch" as "Taint" until California. Except, of course, as the bully from Diff'rent Strokes when I was a kid. My personal favorite is "The isthmus of love". Also in reference to addicted2aa's concern about JiB's player(me) dying, when I made the choices that led to the situation, I knew there was a chance I could die. I didn't expect it to happen as up until that point the only real damage the character ever took was via backlash, so it was a bit startling. While it certainly wasn't a heroic death, it really did affect the rest of the party as JiB said, so even if the death wasn't personally fulfilling from an ego standpoint, it really has helped the narrative and added additional depth to the other characters. I made the choice, and dying sucked, but I would not have changed the choices I made.
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Post by Kainguru on Aug 28, 2013 14:04:07 GMT -8
Was re-listening episode 12 and I have to get this out of my system. The guy who wrote about Batman being re-invented and who ask "what's the real Batman anways?" and then proceed to tell that Man of Steel is a shitty movie because the chracter is all about hope and the American Way... That's ironic, telling us characters get re-invented all the times and then telling us that a re-invented Superman suck because he did not look at the sky, his eyes full of hope, while waving the American Flag. B.S.! How can we take that seriously? What's the real Superman anyways? That same whole thing applies to Superman too. Most comic book fans liked Man of Steel and that listener only flaged himself as a non-fan or a non-comic book fan. It was a great movie and had soul. And this time Superman did get to PUNCH peoples to the face and show real emotions, instead of being always goddamn perfect. Pacific Rim was average (yes I said it). All the goddamn japanese mecha stereotypes was is there: the bad ass japanese girl who know martial arts, the harsh but caring mentor, the two scientist nerds klutz, the hateful and proud ace pilot rival. Even that Ron Perlman death scene showed a great incompetence in pacing and we all saw that coming by a mile. There, I feel better. Comic book geek rage... over. I've been LARPing so a bit behind with listening to the episode . . . you beat me to the punch and well said . . . all I can add is: "What fucking comics has the emailer been reading? what was said about Superman was total arsecrap . . . I suspect the emailer was one of those pathetic dickweeds that complained because the new superman movie wasn't like the old movies . . . which is a good thing because a) the new movie was MORE like the comics of the last 30 years and b) the old movies are SHIT. 'Snyder makes visually stunning films with no depth/soul?' Fuck you!!! Have you seen Watchmen? . . . or did the detailed plot and depth, which exactly copied the source material, lose you? If you think 300 lacks depth blame fucking Frank Miller not Zack Snyder because it was a very good translation of his source material - better in many respects. What will you do if The Bat kicks the shit out of the Big Blue Boy Scout in the next movie? Just like he does in 'The Dark Knight Returns' and numerous other graphic novels*? run home crying 'it's not fair they've ruined Superman for me forever'" That's my comic rage over . . . words HAD to be said and they HAD to be profane 'cause I'm Australian. Aaron *Batman, in the history of the DC Universe, nearly always wins when forced into a confrontation with Kal-El. PS: I was so glad all that 1979 Kryptonian crystal crap was finally dropped in 'Man of Steel' . . . I mean did you look at the Fortress of Solitude in those old movies: how the fuck did Kal-El relax there? unless it was by using those crystals FATAL style in some weird Kryptonian masturbation rite.
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