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Post by flyingjackelope on May 19, 2017 16:11:32 GMT -8
So Tim, what were your plans for the Malk?
And Stulin, will Albert ever find out he was framed to protect Skully? I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate that. Might even start some inter-party conflict.(nudge nudge) Give Albert some motivation? Or maybe he'll just sulk some more. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by RudeAlert on May 19, 2017 16:46:41 GMT -8
Unfortunately, if the current pattern holds, he'd probably just end up sulking more.
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Post by Probie Tim on May 19, 2017 17:08:24 GMT -8
So Tim, what were your plans for the Malk? ... will Albert ever find out he was framed to protect Skully? So this goes back a bit, and both of what I quoted above are related. Set the wayback machine to the happy time of Skully's "wedded bliss". Skully diablerized his "bride" in a fit of pique because "those pretty b*tches" (meaning Adrienne and Riley) diablerized the two Sabbat we'd killed and didn't leave any for Skully. I can't remember if Skully already had the boon from Adrienne at that point or not, but those two events (the diablere of Skully's "bride" and the boon) were not related. I'd always planned to get a boon from Adrienne, just to have in Skully's back pocket (see post #1 above, heh). Personally, I did not expect anyone to come looking for Skully's "bride". When it did happen, I was a bit shocked, and I used the boon to protect Skully from any fall-out over the affair. I can't remember if it was Skully's or Adrienne's idea to blame Albert, but the fact he'd been missing for a few night made him the perfect scapegoat. But then Albert came back, and Adrienne rescinded the blood hunt on Albert in her domain in exchange for a modicum of loyalty. Skully was walking on eggshells for Albert's first few nights back, but when it looked like he wasn't going to dig into the blood hunt, I relaxed a bit. Time passed. Eventually, Albert started getting curious, and in a few sessions he started asking questions about the blood hunt. In Skully's mind, Albert was right on the cusp of possibly making life really hard for Skully. I thought about out-and-out killing Albert, but... the Mote really isn't that type of game. So I thought harder, and then it hit me: we have a Malkavian. Malkavians know Dementation. So, Skully kidnapped the Malk, blood bound him, and forced him to teach Skully Dementation. Here's the direct answer to your question: Skully planned to routinely fuck with Albert via Dementation so that his sanity would come into doubt. Given what he was going through with his humanity losses, it wouldn't take much in the way of Dementation to make him appear to have gone over the edge. Then, if he ever did find out the truth about his blood hunt, no one would take his claims seriously. It would just be more of "crazy Albert's" rantings as he succumbed more and more to his beast. I also had an elaborate plan for Skully to be seen in public now and again masked as the Malk, so that suspicions would not arise. Sadly, I never got the chance to put that into affect.
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Post by Probie Tim on May 19, 2017 17:13:34 GMT -8
Tim is the only one who's "fought back against my interference," because he's the only one who'd be proactive. It's a relief when Tim does that. You are too kind, sir.
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Post by flyingjackelope on May 19, 2017 17:44:57 GMT -8
Eventually, Albert started getting curious, and in a few sessions he started asking questions about the blood hunt. In Skully's mind, Albert was right on the cusp of possibly making life really hard for Skully. I thought about out-and-out killing Albert, but... the Mote really isn't that type of game. So I thought harder, and then it hit me: we have a Malkavian. Malkavians know Dementation. So, Skully kidnapped the Malk, blood bound him, and forced him to teach Skully Dementation. Here's the direct answer to your question: Skully planned to routinely fuck with Albert via Dementation so that his sanity would come into doubt. Given what he was going through with his humanity losses, it wouldn't take much in the way of Dementation to make him appear to have gone over the edge. Then, if he ever did find out the truth about his blood hunt, no one would take his claims seriously. It would just be more of "crazy Albert's" rantings as he succumbed more and more to his beast. Dude, that's evil. Teach me your ways. In all seriousness, I would have loved to have seen this pan out. As has been the sub theme of this post, I am really going to miss Thkully's machinations in the background. Follow up question. What is going to happen to our favorite miniscule murcielago?
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on May 19, 2017 18:05:31 GMT -8
Probie Tim Any plans for expansion of the Warrens? How'd Skully feel about the deal with the Fae?If Skully was allowed to plan the upcoming battle like a proper Sheriff, what would it have been?
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Post by Probie Tim on May 19, 2017 18:28:22 GMT -8
The warrens have to move; they've been discovered. Skully's haven and those of the nosferacrew who stay in that area. No question about it.
Skully thought the deal with the fae was the absolute dumbest thing he's ever seen anyone do. Or heard of anyone doing. But... leave it to a pretty Ventrue to get hoodwinked by rich-smelling blood and money.
As far as the compound attack is concerned? I would have pointed all of Adrienne's and Riley's resources at news and a government branch like... the ATF in Pornvale or something. Then I would have had them start publishing news article about the horrible cult compound in the Valley, and insure that things happen to put them on the now-under-our-power ATF's radar. Finally, the ATF would assault the compound all Waco style leaving us and our Kindred agents to follow them in and clean up the opposing Kindred. Hopefully including Sebastian.
Of course, Sebastian would fight back with his influences, so it would become a classic V:tM influence battle for a while.
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Post by RudeAlert on May 19, 2017 18:41:20 GMT -8
Daaamn! That would have been so awesome! Damn you adult life!
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Post by flyingjackelope on May 19, 2017 18:49:52 GMT -8
Probie Tim Any plans for expansion of the Warrens? How'd Skully feel about the deal with the Fae?If Skully was allowed to plan the upcoming battle like a proper Sheriff, what would it have been? I think I missed something. Can someone please expand on "the Warrens"? I've invested too many hour listening to this AP to feel left out.
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Post by RudeAlert on May 19, 2017 19:00:47 GMT -8
Probie Tim Any plans for expansion of the Warrens? How'd Skully feel about the deal with the Fae?If Skully was allowed to plan the upcoming battle like a proper Sheriff, what would it have been? I think I missed something. Can someone please expand on "the Warrens"? I've invested too many hour listening to this AP to feel left out. I don't feel like it was referred to by that name many times in the game, but if I recall, that's the underground world where Thkully has his heaven. I think. I'm sure others will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Probie Tim on May 19, 2017 19:05:31 GMT -8
The warrens = the sewers. It's just a name for the underground havens of a collection of Nosferatu.
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Post by Tiamattinen on May 19, 2017 22:50:38 GMT -8
Have you and Jessie talked about the possibility of Skully being her one-shot Nosferatu's sire yet?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 0:46:10 GMT -8
I would agree with this, but for one thing: The players are rarely reactive or proactive. When the Sabbat incursion happened, I had to practically BEG them to go after them. The spinning plates is out of desperation to make something happen. Tim is the only one who's "fought back against my interference," because he's the only one who'd be proactive. It's a relief when Tim does that. THAT'S the game I'd prefer to run. I feed them a plot hook, they table it. So I give them another. I'm not sure what else to do. I gave them the opportunity to expand their territory. Did they do it? Nope. I reveal to them that someone (Sebastien) is surveilling them. Once they find out who's behind it, do they take it out? Nope. Reilly wants to throw parties. Adrienne wants to make a lot of money. I don't see how those things become interesting if I don't have outsiders interfere with it. What happens with a hook when they table it? I assume the situation doesn't go away just because they decide to ignore it. Why introduce a new threat when you can just step up the one they ignored? They ignore the surailance on them? The hen comes back to roost and bites them in the ass. If there is nothing to bite them, then it was never really a threat to begin with. Second question: Are the players looking to you to have something happen? If they are happy trying to make money and throw parties, why not go with it? Part of the secret of the PbtA engine is that you need the players input to keep things running, otherwise the improv machine runs out of gas. So lets make a hypothetical here... The characters are under survailance. They want to throw a big party, and who would be at that party other than a buisness contact of adriennes! There is supposed to be some kind of closing of a deal over drinks. Too bad some enemy knows all of this and has the catering staff infiltrated. Adrienne is about to seal the deal with her contact when he starts foaming at the mouth and falls down thrashing. The party is ruined and the deal goes sour, the next of kin blaming Adrienne. Did Sebastian do this? Does he have motive? Is someone else pulling his strings. Guess its time for them to follow up, or watch as their plans turn to ashes in their mouth.
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Post by Probie Tim on May 20, 2017 7:24:30 GMT -8
Have you and Jessie talked about the possibility of Skully being her one-shot Nosferatu's sire yet? We talked about it, yes. But there's no way that Skully would ever sire. That just won't happen. What I told her that Skully would do is blood-bind her, then convince her that Skully is her sire. it'd be like: "So, the other day? I was talking to my sire Skully and he said..." "Um. Skully isn't your sire." "Oh, don't be silly. So anyway, my sire Skully said that..." She's mulling that over.
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Post by Probie Tim on May 20, 2017 7:27:34 GMT -8
What happens with a hook when they table it? I assume the situation doesn't go away just because they decide to ignore it. Why introduce a new threat when you can just step up the one they ignored? They ignore the surailance on them? The hen comes back to roost and bites them in the ass. If there is nothing to bite them, then it was never really a threat to begin with. I have EVERY faith that every threat we "tabled" is not idle. Stu is the kind of GM that keeps things like that moving in the background. Each one of those threats, I'm convinced, will later jump up to bite us in the ass, and they'd be worse for us because we didn't address them in the first place. Part of the secret of the PbtA engine is that you need the players input to keep things running, otherwise the improv machine runs out of gas. I would so very much like to see a conversation about a non PbtA game where PbtA was NOT brought up.
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