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Mote 35
Oct 2, 2017 12:02:18 GMT -8
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Oct 2, 2017 12:02:18 GMT -8
Jessie HJ So when Esmeralda was ordering the crossbow, you don't actually have to have it fire a full sized stake. As long as the crossbow bolt is wooden, it follows the rules for staking. Plus an actual stake will be worse for range and accuracy. Also the bolt can still be tipped with metal for penetration. If you're looking for extra fun, shotguns can be adapted to fire arrows for some extra oomf, or if you just don't want to carry around a crossbow. Though some massive barreled homemade gun that fires wooden stakes could be fun as well.
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Mote 35
Oct 2, 2017 14:38:51 GMT -8
Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Oct 2, 2017 14:38:51 GMT -8
So the Hunter in me got curious as to what youtube had to offer the intrepid vampire hunter, and I was not disappointed. Sometimes we had to get creative with Hunter the Reckoning when Storytellers disallowed the Arsenal Background.
God that's perfect, or if the stakes were slightly smaller maybe
I was wondering if wood would hold up being fired from a shotgun.
Sometimes low tech is best.
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Mote 35
Oct 2, 2017 15:17:05 GMT -8
Post by SirGuido on Oct 2, 2017 15:17:05 GMT -8
Joerg Sprag can turn anything into a weapon.
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Mote 35
Oct 2, 2017 19:57:10 GMT -8
Post by Stu Venable on Oct 2, 2017 19:57:10 GMT -8
The GURPS GM in me looks at that (a large calibre weapon -- probably shot gun -- firing wooden bolts of some kind) and wonders about blowthrough. It seems if you rolled enough damage, the stake would go THROUGH the vamp's chest and come out the other end.
This makes a couple assumptions.
1) the initial force of the detonation of the charge in the shell is likely to splinter the wooden "bullet" almost immediately, unless it's made from a very dense, very hard wood, like lignum vitae, old-growth maple, walnut, maybe.
2) Assuming the wood round survives the initial shock of the force, it will be forced down the barrel very rapidly, obviously. In order to have a maximum velocity, the round has to have a tight enough tolerance to create an air-tight seal behind it, or unburnt powder in the barrel will pass it, leading to further damage to the round and possibly slowing it way down. With high tolerances, it's likely to burn just from friction as it's coming out.
3) I would think Item 2 would lead to a VERY dirty barrel after firing the round, causing more problems with velocity and accuracy.
4) Finally, if the wooden round makes it out in tact (and maintains a penetrating point) it might blow through the vampire entirely. In game terms, I would think that inflicting unsoaked damage equal to twice the 3 needed to plant in the heart might very will mean the round blew all the way through, leaving the vampire unstaked.
All that said, it might be that fragments of the round, upon impact, might get lodged in the heart. I'm assuming that wood in the heart is sufficient to immobilize a vampire, but you can't rely on a splinter happening to get itself lodged in the heart (though it also makes them harder to unstake).
But if you go by that assumption, I would think manufacturing wooden "shot" and making a proper shotgun round would be a better bet. You have a better chance to have one wooden pellet lodge in the chest when you're firing 10-20 of them at once.
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Mote 35
Oct 2, 2017 21:10:26 GMT -8
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Oct 2, 2017 21:10:26 GMT -8
Pretty much why I don't run GURPS
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Mote 35
Oct 3, 2017 18:21:51 GMT -8
Post by akavidar on Oct 3, 2017 18:21:51 GMT -8
The GURPS GM in me looks at that (a large calibre weapon -- probably shot gun -- firing wooden bolts of some kind) and wonders about blowthrough. It seems if you rolled enough damage, the stake would go THROUGH the vamp's chest and come out the other end. This makes a couple assumptions. 1) the initial force of the detonation of the charge in the shell is likely to splinter the wooden "bullet" almost immediately, unless it's made from a very dense, very hard wood, like lignum vitae, old-growth maple, walnut, maybe. 2) Assuming the wood round survives the initial shock of the force, it will be forced down the barrel very rapidly, obviously. In order to have a maximum velocity, the round has to have a tight enough tolerance to create an air-tight seal behind it, or unburnt powder in the barrel will pass it, leading to further damage to the round and possibly slowing it way down. With high tolerances, it's likely to burn just from friction as it's coming out. 3) I would think Item 2 would lead to a VERY dirty barrel after firing the round, causing more problems with velocity and accuracy. 4) Finally, if the wooden round makes it out in tact (and maintains a penetrating point) it might blow through the vampire entirely. In game terms, I would think that inflicting unsoaked damage equal to twice the 3 needed to plant in the heart might very will mean the round blew all the way through, leaving the vampire unstaked. All that said, it might be that fragments of the round, upon impact, might get lodged in the heart. I'm assuming that wood in the heart is sufficient to immobilize a vampire, but you can't rely on a splinter happening to get itself lodged in the heart (though it also makes them harder to unstake). But if you go by that assumption, I would think manufacturing wooden "shot" and making a proper shotgun round would be a better bet. You have a better chance to have one wooden pellet lodge in the chest when you're firing 10-20 of them at once. t 1) reduce the powder charge, this would be for close range so a reduced powder charge would work in your favor.(Oak, Ironwood) 2) use a plastic sabot to ensure a gas seal, and keep the wood away from the barrel. 3) the above 2 items should resolve this. 4) still a problem, but the reduced powder charge should help. I do like the wood shot idea, if wooden pellets in a vampires heart would act as a stake. (Storytellers's choice, I'd say)
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Mote 35
Oct 4, 2017 13:37:40 GMT -8
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Post by Jessie HJ on Oct 4, 2017 13:37:40 GMT -8
Oh and why does Esmeralda not use Presence? It is such an awesome power. I figure it's just not her style, she's so uncouth and rough that the idea of trying to be suave and "social" just doesn't occur to her. I mean hell, she doesn't even know how to end phone calls! You are correct. She’s a very physical being. And she doesn’t have any charisma, which is necessary for that power haha.
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Mote 35
Oct 4, 2017 13:39:03 GMT -8
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Post by Jessie HJ on Oct 4, 2017 13:39:03 GMT -8
Good point RudeAlert! She is truly horribly dreadful at Awe Sorry Jessie No problem! She is TERRIBLE at it. 😂
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Mote 35
Oct 4, 2017 20:50:40 GMT -8
Post by Stu Venable on Oct 4, 2017 20:50:40 GMT -8
"I don't know how to end conversations (click)."
If it didn't need context, it would make a great t-shirt.
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Mote 35
Oct 5, 2017 10:29:10 GMT -8
Post by clanhanna on Oct 5, 2017 10:29:10 GMT -8
I'm assuming that wood in the heart is sufficient to immobilize a vampire, but you can't rely on a splinter happening to get itself lodged in the heart (though it also makes them harder to unstake). I do like the wood shot idea, if wooden pellets in a vampires heart would act as a stake. (Storytellers's choice, I'd say) Considering those Setites who have had their hearts removed from their bodies (via Serpentis 5 or now, according to V:DA20, what is properly the level 5 Setite Sorcery ritual "Cheat the Scale of Hades") run the risk of being staked, possibly from afar, by a #2 pencil, I would argue that wooden flechettes or shrapnel embedded within the cardiac tissue would count as staking.
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Mote 35
Oct 5, 2017 12:27:58 GMT -8
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Post by Jessie HJ on Oct 5, 2017 12:27:58 GMT -8
"I don't know how to end conversations (click)." If it didn't need context, it would make a great t-shirt. Hahaha. If we ever make Happy Jack’s shirts....
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Mote 35
Oct 5, 2017 12:39:24 GMT -8
Post by RudeAlert on Oct 5, 2017 12:39:24 GMT -8
"I don't know how to end conversations (click)." If it didn't need context, it would make a great t-shirt. Hahaha. If we ever make Happy Jack’s shirts.... Wasn't the line spoken in the game "I don't know how to end phone calls"? Cuz that could work on a t-shirt.
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Mote 35
Oct 5, 2017 16:09:36 GMT -8
Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Oct 5, 2017 16:09:36 GMT -8
I'm assuming that wood in the heart is sufficient to immobilize a vampire, but you can't rely on a splinter happening to get itself lodged in the heart (though it also makes them harder to unstake). I do like the wood shot idea, if wooden pellets in a vampires heart would act as a stake. (Storytellers's choice, I'd say) Considering those Setites who have had their hearts removed from their bodies (via Serpentis 5 or now, according to V:DA20, what is properly the level 5 Setite Sorcery ritual "Cheat the Scale of Hades") run the risk of being staked, possibly from afar, by a #2 pencil, I would argue that wooden flechettes or shrapnel embedded within the cardiac tissue would count as staking. Thinking about it, since the system doesn't put in damage caps, all it would need to be considered sufficiently pierced would be to do three points of damage.
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Mote 35
Oct 6, 2017 17:16:52 GMT -8
Post by Linus on Oct 6, 2017 17:16:52 GMT -8
Considering those Setites who have had their hearts removed from their bodies (via Serpentis 5 or now, according to V:DA20, what is properly the level 5 Setite Sorcery ritual "Cheat the Scale of Hades") run the risk of being staked, possibly from afar, by a #2 pencil, I would argue that wooden flechettes or shrapnel embedded within the cardiac tissue would count as staking. Thinking about it, since the system doesn't put in damage caps, all it would need to be considered sufficiently pierced would be to do three points of damage. The 'three levels of damage'-rule* would work excellent with magic bullshittery as well. You may conjure a piece of wood inside someones chest (be it by thaumaturgy or a combo of actual mage spheres), but unless you also manage to inflict three levels of damage, the vampire remain in action and the wood is eventually expelled as any other foreign object, be it bullets, shrapnel etc. (Plus, how badass would it be to perform a dual action with split dice pool, conjuring a piece of wood in someone's lung and then dropkick them in the ribs to impale the heart.)
*it's not a rule per see... more of a guideline.
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Mote 35
Oct 6, 2017 18:08:39 GMT -8
Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Oct 6, 2017 18:08:39 GMT -8
Thinking about it, since the system doesn't put in damage caps, all it would need to be considered sufficiently pierced would be to do three points of damage. The 'three levels of damage'-rule* would work excellent with magic bullshittery as well. You may conjure a piece of wood inside someones chest (be it by thaumaturgy or a combo of actual mage spheres), but unless you also manage to inflict three levels of damage, the vampire remain in action and the wood is eventually expelled as any other foreign object, be it bullets, shrapnel etc. (Plus, how badass would it be to perform a dual action with split dice pool, conjuring a piece of wood in someone's lung and then dropkick them in the ribs to impale the heart.)
*it's not a rule per see... more of a guideline.
It would add a nice buffer between someone spamming something like that. I'm now putting that in my house rules document.
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