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Post by HourEleven on Sept 27, 2018 6:01:30 GMT -8
What a mess and a PR nightmare. The CoFounder of Roll20 is well on his way to being the 2nd most downvoted comment in reddit history. And now all the posts coming up with people sharing their awful interactions with him... It’s a good day to be the guys who run Fantasy Grounds, as Roll20 is hemorrhaging users.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 27, 2018 13:58:38 GMT -8
Yup. It looks like they stepped in it.
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Post by Zaszamonde on Sept 27, 2018 15:52:17 GMT -8
So they've removed all previous /r/roll20 moderators and replaced them with the /r/lfg moderators. No apology or acknowledgement of wrongdoing.
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Post by RudeAlert on Sept 27, 2018 16:15:09 GMT -8
Yup. It looks like they stepped in it. From what I've read of the situation, it doesn't sound like they stepped in it so much as they've been rolling in it for years and been getting away with it, but now people suddenly noticed the stink.
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Post by RudeAlert on Sept 27, 2018 16:25:16 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 22:11:21 GMT -8
The guy in the video is a known liar and has his own scandal where I heard he was "forgiven by jesus", thus all his trolling of other channels is okay. Basically, he's kind of a garbage human being. This is the kind of guy who talks nice to your face and stabs you in the back.
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Post by uncommonman on Sept 28, 2018 4:04:37 GMT -8
The guy in the video is a known liar and has his own scandal where I heard he was "forgiven by jesus", thus all his trolling of other channels is okay. Basically, he's kind of a garbage human being. This is the kind of guy who talks nice to your face and stabs you in the back. Two persons with the same story, it does look more credible.
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Post by fredrix on Sept 28, 2018 5:33:01 GMT -8
What did he actually say/do in the most downvoted comment? It must be pretty bad, but saying “we don’t want to sponsor you because you’re five white guys” isn’t.
I mean it’s rude if it was said as bluntly as that, but it isn’t actually racist or sexist, despite the the vloggers’ butt-hurt. Had they refused to supply their service to them because of their skin colour or sex, then yes, that’s discrimination central. But a sponsorship deal is about “what is the image we want to present to potential audiences?”, and if they don’t want to attach their name to five white guys with beards (I admit I don’t know if the other three have facial hair), then that is their choice.
Yes, the guys are justified in feeling butt-hurt if it was said as rudely as they say, and in changing alligence to Fantasy Grounds, but making a video that “you don’t want to make” to tell WotC that you “don’t want to tell them to remove their products from Roll20” is duplicitous. He wants to fuck Roll20 over for the perceived slight. He should grow up, and if he wants sponsorship, find a couple of more diverse co-hosts to do his thing with.
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Post by HourEleven on Sept 28, 2018 5:37:43 GMT -8
The most downvoted comment is pretty much him saying “We we were wrong when we banned you because it turns out you aren’t the guy we thought you were. But we are going to keep you banned because you argued with us about it.” Not an apology, but a tantrum because he was wrong.
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Post by fredrix on Sept 28, 2018 6:19:12 GMT -8
The most downvoted comment is pretty much him saying “We we were wrong when we banned you because it turns out you aren’t the guy we thought you were. But we are going to keep you banned because you argued with us about it.” Not an apology, but a tantrum because he was wrong. Doh! Why are people so stupid? I consult in customer service and often have my advice to say “we were wrong, here’s how we might make it right, sorry” ignored or rejected by managers who should know better. Which rejection in at least one case (when the manager in question argued a point with a mobility impaired customer because she “had a broken leg once so knows what disability is like” cost the non-profit I was working for thousands in legal fees.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 28, 2018 9:28:00 GMT -8
I really fucking hate Youtubers. All of them seem to be like that one friend who say they hate drama, but are always the ones stirring it up.
Those videos make we want to like Roll 20 out of spite.
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Post by HourEleven on Sept 28, 2018 11:53:09 GMT -8
It’s given me the excuse to explore Fantasy Grounds and GM Forge, which is good.
I’ve always been frustrated by the inconsistency of Roll20s interface, but it’s never been broken enough for me to check out the competition.
TLDR: Each program sucks in its own special way.
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Post by fredrix on Sept 28, 2018 12:18:00 GMT -8
I liked Hangouts with Roll20, but since Google nixed the hangouts plugins, I dropped from patron to free membership. And indeed haven’t used it for years. I am blessed with plenty of face to face gaming.
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Post by RudeAlert on Sept 28, 2018 12:22:27 GMT -8
I really fucking hate Youtubers. All of them seem to be like that one friend who say they hate drama, but are always the ones stirring it up. Those videos make we want to like Roll 20 out of spite. To be fair though, if you hate Youtubers so much, I imagine you don't watch too much Youtube content, which means the only times you're likely to see videos like these is when there is drama going on (and there's nothing wrong with addressing bad situations, or "drama" when it occurs), so there might be an inherent selection bias at play here. I watch a lot of Youtube content, and while there are definitely a lot of drama-filled channels (which I tend to avoid like the plague), there are far more that don't fall into that category, but that doesn't mean that they won't address a bad situation occasionally when one pops up.
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Post by Stu Venable on Sept 28, 2018 12:25:41 GMT -8
To be perfectly frank, my samplings of Youtoobers is watching or listening to what my daughter is watching.
So my sample is even more skewed, as my teenage daughter LOVES drama.
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