fredrix
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Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Mar 24, 2014 12:04:01 GMT -8
Rogan Josh? It has to be Fate doesn't it? But Dare? I have an unrequited desire to run a Jetpunk campaign for my group. (Jetpunk is my term for the rise of the commonwealth in the 1950's, where we get Werner Von Braun instead of the yanks, and Dan Dare, Jet Morgan et al explore the solar system (with Mitch, the Aussie of course)). But what system should that be in? I got Starblazer Adventures is it's closing down sale, to see this that flavour of Fate, but part of wants more maths for a celebration of British (and commonwealth) engineering.
Did you ever read Ministry of Space?
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fredrix
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Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Mar 24, 2014 12:06:05 GMT -8
Gotta say I agree with JiB. By all means house-rule your system - if you want it to be SHIT. there is nothing wrong with a well thought out house rule. I never said there was, it's just that 99% of all house rules aren't well thought out.
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Post by Kainguru on Mar 24, 2014 12:48:25 GMT -8
Did you ever read Ministry of Space? Yes, with joy . . . my housemate (fellow comic nerd) has a copy. I enjoyed Albion as well, with it's reimagining of classic Brit Sci-fi icons: Robot Archie, Kelly's Eye, Steel Claw etc with that touch of Alan Moore weirdness courtesy of his daughter and her husband Aaron
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Post by jazzisblues on Mar 24, 2014 14:06:36 GMT -8
Man, JiB is such a Savage Worlds rules lawyer. He should learn to roleplay. Obviously, he's a video game player. SHUN! SHUNNNNN!!! Just to be clear. I make that statement as an absolute on purpose and for a reason. It's to get people to stop and get ruffled so they have to think about it for a minute. Here's the thing, it's very easy to use just the rules that you want. The problem is that they are integral to the math of the game. So, before one starts hacking the game up and making rules changes, I recommend learning to play it as written. I would make the same recommendation for any game. Learn it the way it was written before you start changing it. But being shunned I will go hang my head in shame now. JiB
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fredrix
Master Douchebag
Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Mar 24, 2014 14:11:19 GMT -8
I ain't shunnin' you JiB. Say it!
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Post by ayslyn on Mar 24, 2014 14:35:25 GMT -8
there is nothing wrong with a well thought out house rule. I never said there was, it's just that 99% of all house rules aren't well thought out. *blinks* The quote from your post is a pretty absolute statement. I would happily argue with your percentage as well. As I've said, many common house rules have made their way into the next edition of games.
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fredrix
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Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Mar 24, 2014 15:07:43 GMT -8
This is a forum post, on Happy Jacks, if you are looking for a evidenced argument, look elsewhere. But I am willing to offer my own limited evidence in absolute terms: 100% of the "house rules" I've been aware of have been ill considered crap. Part of the reason for that is that most of them (if not all) have been created because he (it's usually a he, female GMs I've known haven't house ruled anything) has taken against something on reading the rules. As JiB has pointed out, they generally don't try the rules as written. I've been playing since before utility internet, and so many (all?) of those rules got no further. But I'm interested in your definition of a "common house rule". In my opinion if it's "common" it's not a house-rule. It may be that rules modifications nowadays get invented at ordinary gamers tables and distributed via the network until they arrive in the next edition of a game, but I'd suggest that only the fittest survive, and that you can't convincingly argue that my 99% figure is crap, because you can't honestly tell me how many crap house rules got no further than their gaming table.
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Post by ayslyn on Mar 24, 2014 15:32:12 GMT -8
The most famous would be level limits for non-humans in D&D. The designers themselves admitted that they did away with it since the vast majority of groups house ruled it away.
Point-buy for stats is another one.
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Post by gina on Mar 24, 2014 15:53:43 GMT -8
Hey Stu Venable, quelle surprise, I found a bottle of Black Fang a couple of days after the 'cast, so shall bring it next time time. (Along with a bottle I wish I purchased call Necromangocon). :)
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Post by sbloyd on Mar 24, 2014 16:26:53 GMT -8
fredrix I have to disagree, houserules don't turn a game into shit simply by being. Now, I do believe that if you're going to houserule a system it's best to be extremely well versed in that system's existing rules, before going at it with a monkeywrench.
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fredrix
Master Douchebag
Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Mar 24, 2014 21:55:38 GMT -8
fredrix I have to disagree, houserules don't turn a game into shit simply by being. Now, I do believe that if you're going to houserule a system it's best to be extremely well versed in that system's existing rules, before going at it with a monkeywrench. I don't think we disagree at all. I refer you to my original post, wherein I talk about "MOST house-rulers" and also say "I'm not adverse to house-rules". My point was, and still is, that most house-rulers (in admittedly my own tiny and local experience) are not well-versed enough in the system to go fucking about with it.
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fredrix
Master Douchebag
Posts: 2,142
Preferred Game Systems: Fate, L5R, Pendragon, Gumshoe, Feng Shui
Currently Playing: Pendragon, Song of Ice and Fire, L5R, Feng Shui, Traveller
Currently Running: Fate, Coriolis, Nights Black Agents
Favorite Species of Monkey: 1970's NTV, dubbed by the BBC (though The Water Margin beats it)
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Post by fredrix on Mar 24, 2014 22:11:17 GMT -8
The most famous would be level limits for non-humans in D&D. The designers themselves admitted that they did away with it since the vast majority of groups house ruled it away. Point-buy for stats is another one. Good points. But back in my early days, rather than try and house rule it, we walked away from D&D because of all that crap about levels (and alignment and class). I'm only just realizing that, apart from a flirtation with Rolemaster (which is like a big sack of house rules) we never played another game with levels until recently, when we started L5R. But we moved to Runequest and Traveller, and if our GM had suggested point but on stats on those, I'd have said "shouldn't we be playing GURPS"? For me the random states (especially in Traveller) are part of the fun.
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Post by malifer on Mar 25, 2014 6:39:32 GMT -8
Stu VenableRules questionIn Savage Fatal, is my character's circumference based off Spirit or Vigor? Thank you
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Post by Stu Venable on Mar 25, 2014 7:20:41 GMT -8
Which circumference?
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Post by Stu Venable on Mar 25, 2014 7:21:35 GMT -8
Speaking of house rules, I'm working on docking rules for FATAL.
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