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Post by heavymetaljess on Sept 12, 2014 3:25:28 GMT -8
I'm thinking about doing a short series, on a different RSS feed, about DnD5e. Probably not a long running show, and I'll cross post them on the happy jacks feed, along with the actual play. This might be a good format to accommodate those who want review shows. A "mini series" of shorter casts, or one long one, discussing the system and then an AP. Honestly the APs for a system do a lot more of me than a book review.
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Post by D.T. Pints on Sept 12, 2014 6:18:54 GMT -8
I think this would be fun to do with the Moment of Truth playtest. Having players and GM discuss what worked and didn't work about the system.
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Post by daniel on Oct 5, 2014 8:02:37 GMT -8
I certainly don't agree with it, Stu... But, they have every right to make that bad decision. Plus, it's possible that they are just giving the stores some lead time. That's what AEG does. Dead Tree comes out first, and PDF follows much later to give the stores a chance to sell them. Or it could be a condition of the license with Trapdoor for Dungeonscape. The PHB for 5e was up BEFORE it released on stores on various Torrent sites. The MM was up the same day.
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 5, 2014 8:29:23 GMT -8
I certainly don't agree with it, Stu... But, they have every right to make that bad decision. Plus, it's possible that they are just giving the stores some lead time. That's what AEG does. Dead Tree comes out first, and PDF follows much later to give the stores a chance to sell them. Or it could be a condition of the license with Trapdoor for Dungeonscape. The PHB for 5e was up BEFORE it released on stores on various Torrent sites. The MM was up the same day. Those are pirated versions. I was speculating on why WotC might not have put out official versions already.
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Post by lowkeyoh on Oct 5, 2014 10:57:12 GMT -8
Catalyst puts out Shadowrun PDF's months before the book hits. You can buy the pdf for 25$ early, the book for 50$, or both for 60$.
We've been known to throw down 4 bucks a person, grab the pdf for the group, and then when the book comes out, people buy it from our flgs.
The pdf is going to hit the internet. It's going to happen. Might as well monetize it
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 5, 2014 12:37:07 GMT -8
Catalyst puts out Shadowrun PDF's months before the book hits. You can buy the pdf for 25$ early, the book for 50$, or both for 60$. We've been known to throw down 4 bucks a person, grab the pdf for the group, and then when the book comes out, people buy it from our flgs. The pdf is going to hit the internet. It's going to happen. Might as well monetize it Oh, I agree. You really can't stop the piracy. Someone is going to want it for nothing, and someone is going to provide it for nothing.
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Post by daniel on Oct 8, 2014 6:18:56 GMT -8
Catalyst puts out Shadowrun PDF's months before the book hits. You can buy the pdf for 25$ early, the book for 50$, or both for 60$. We've been known to throw down 4 bucks a person, grab the pdf for the group, and then when the book comes out, people buy it from our flgs. The pdf is going to hit the internet. It's going to happen. Might as well monetize it Oh, I agree. You really can't stop the piracy. Someone is going to want it for nothing, and someone is going to provide it for nothing. Or in the case of WoTC somebody wants a PDF and there is no other alternative, NONE
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 8, 2014 7:09:48 GMT -8
Oh, I agree. You really can't stop the piracy. Someone is going to want it for nothing, and someone is going to provide it for nothing. Or in the case of WoTC somebody wants a PDF and there is no other alternative, NONE *shrugs* Ehh... That's just an excuse to make a person feel slightly better. I say if you're going to pirate something, then own it.
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Post by malifer on Oct 8, 2014 9:02:26 GMT -8
Or in the case of WoTC somebody wants a PDF and there is no other alternative, NONE *shrugs* Ehh... That's just an excuse to make a person feel slightly better. I say if you're going to pirate something, then own it. I disagree. There is definitely a market for digital media. I liked your first statement that there is always someone for whatever reason does not pay for a product. Would there be people that would have pirated 5e anyway? Sure. However I think there a number of people that pirated it, that would have rather supported the product through there preferred method of consumption. Because for whatever reason printed material doesn't fit their lifestyle. I remember when Napster was going to being the end of the music business! Now iTunes is humongous and people look at me weird when I say I bought a new CD as if it's some archaic device used in grisly medical amputations.
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Post by vyrrk on Oct 8, 2014 9:16:57 GMT -8
Sounds like they should do a episode in Piracy. haha
Honestly though... Many people feel like piracy is a way to test something first. Torrent a RPG book you want, read it over and see if you like it. Then, buy the book if you do. In a lot of ways D&D did this with their "Basic Rules" that they released for free.
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 8, 2014 9:31:41 GMT -8
*shrugs* Ehh... That's just an excuse to make a person feel slightly better. I say if you're going to pirate something, then own it. I disagree. There is definitely a market for digital media. I liked your first statement that there is always someone for whatever reason does not pay for a product. Would there be people that would have pirated 5e anyway? Sure. However I think there a number of people that pirated it, that would have rather supported the product through there preferred method of consumption. Because for whatever reason printed material doesn't fit their lifestyle. I remember when Napster was going to being the end of the music business! Now iTunes is humongous and people look at me weird when I say I bought a new CD as if it's some archaic device used in grisly medical amputations. I never said that there wasn't a market. I'm saying that the whole "WotC didn't make a PDF available so I was forced to DL it." is a cop-out. No one put a gun to your head and made you pirate it. You chose to do it, so own it. Now, it also doesn't mean that you can't criticize them for making what you (and to be fair, I) think is a bad business decision. It is, however, their decision to make. Unless you are a shareholder, you don't get a vote. Let's try to put this a different way. Let's say that I open a game store. I get to choose what product goes on the shelves, and what I opt not to carry. I can choose to not sell Magic the Gathering. I'm cutting off a HUGE source of revenue, but that's my choice to do. You as a customer can certainly think that I am making a mistake and ask me to reconsider, but as it is my store, you don't get to demand that I carry it. The final decision is mine. If I choose in the end not to carry it, you have the option to buy Magic cards off the back of a truck; but, I didn't FORCE you to go that route. You choose to, because your desire to have Magic cards was more important than your desire to only get them from legit sources. ((Under the presumption that you could not get Magic cards legitimately... Yeah, I know, the analogy starts to fail here. ^.^ )) And that is ALL that I am saying. The company has the right to choose not to offer a product, and I will respect that right, even if I disagree with the choice. Not offering a product does not force you to use illegitimate means to get it. You choose to do so, so own it.
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Post by Kainguru on Oct 9, 2014 10:25:48 GMT -8
What if you own the books and want the portability of a PDF as well? Destroy the binding on your books so can scan them yourself? or let a pirate destroy his/her book so you can have a PDF of the book you legitimately own, but doesn't have a legal digital alternative available? Yes, I own the new 5e books and I have the (illegal) PDF's so I can read them on my tablet when I'm waiting eg for a dental appointment etc Aaron
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Post by ayslyn on Oct 9, 2014 15:26:37 GMT -8
I don't have any problem with people pirating, for whatever reason they choose. I just wish more of them would own it, rather than come up with these meally-mouthed excuses.
I have some PDFs of books I own, much like you. I choose to go get them. No one "made" me do it.
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Post by d47 on Oct 9, 2014 21:02:12 GMT -8
I don't have any problem with people pirating, for whatever reason they choose. I just wish more of them would own it, rather than come up with these meally-mouthed excuses. I have some PDFs of books I own, much like you. I choose to go get them. No one "made" me do it. Great, then you won't mind if I take your wallet if we ever met since you tolerate honest theft. EDIT: Sorry, that is a bit harsh, but I guess I am tired of tolerating people who rip off the things that they love. It is affecting so many creative industries, but in a marginal industry like RPGs, stealing stuff just seems like a clear way to make sure people stop making it professionally.
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Post by d47 on Oct 9, 2014 21:20:37 GMT -8
It's fucking stupid that they're not selling the PHB as a pdf. Stupid. I like that they're (kind of) supporting FLGSs by giving some of them stock 11 days early -- and I know my FLGS is benefiting from this. That's nice. But, still, it's 2014. Well, by making it only available in print, they are helping the FLGS. I went into my favorite the other day and they had moved their shelves of RPG books into a back room, but they had a prominent display of new WoTC books and minis up front. This was done by a new shop owner who plays RPGs, but is trying to turn around a store that had struggled. So, I think it is all about WoTC trying to support the shops, probably because they realize that the shops provide space to play and help build the RPG hobby community, making them key to the survival of D&D. Now, I personally love pdfs for their price and portability, but I respect the WoTC decision to do this. What I dislike is the fact that the same book will cost me $50 at my FLGS, $40 at B&N and $30 on Amazon. I want to support my FLGS, but that's a big price difference. Not sure what any company could realistically do differently, but there is a clear conflict between Amazon pricing, in particular, and the health of RPG sales in these stores.
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