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Post by Kainguru on Oct 13, 2014 23:30:08 GMT -8
Very similar to the Wikileaks controversy ref: 'The Fifth Estate' (recently released on Amazon Prime). Right or Wrong this is the world we live in . . . we cannot go back to 'how it used to be, we have to to 'adapt to survive'. Markets change as technology changes, old institutions fail and new one rise. Prior to the crash of 2008 Woolworth was a stable UK institution, because it failed to adapt to the economic crisis it failed period and now, after generations of 'there always being a Woolworth', the shops have gone replaced by those businesses that did adapted to the changing economic climate . . . Aaron
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d47
Journeyman Douchebag
RPG of Choice: Metagaming Melee
Posts: 194
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Post by d47 on Nov 5, 2014 18:53:51 GMT -8
Well, despite his tone, he is quite right. Your choice of metaphor failed because it's deeply flawed on a lot of levels. Not only what I've already pointed out, but more. The problem with the "Pirates cost Publishers Money" is that it's inaccurate. The hard core pirates? You aren't losing any money when they take your stuff, because you were never getting their money regardless. They are the free or nothing crowd. They'll happily forgo your product if they can't find a free version of it. Plenty of fish in the sea, after all. If they can't play your game or music or whatever, they'll just look elsewhere. The casual pirate. He's not going to pay for whatever he's gotten free either, but he's quite likely to pay for something. But, if he hadn't pirated that first file, he'd move on as well. So, you actually lost some money there. The next level of pirate is only pirating because he can't get the product any other way. He's either broke, or it's not available to him (for whatever reason). These guys might try to rectify the situation once their circumstances change. Last is the guy who wants to sample the product before he chooses to invest. You're getting his money so long as your product is up to his standards. If it's not, you'll get less of the bad word of mouth so that's a little win there. Several large companies have actually seen this in play already. Paizo for one has gone on record that their sales have gone up since they stopped trying to hunt down the pirates and stop them. Now... You can certainly make some very good arguments against piracy. It's just "They're Stealin' TEH Moneyz!!" is not one of them. The wallet metaphor might be too simple, but no metaphor is without flaws. I basically agree with your points, but at the end of the day, there are people who would have paid for something if they had not got it for free. The artists, authors and publishers are losing money in at least some cases. I am not arguing for things like the ridiculous lawsuits the RIAA has conducted against individual consumers or draconian restrictions on Internet use. I am just arguing that individuals make the ethical choice to either pay what they are asked to pay for digital assets or to steal them. Sometimes people seem to think that the people who have made the things they are pirating are all rich enough, but clearly a lot of artists and writers, particularly in the RPG industry, don't make a living at their preferred crafts. I'm surprised how many otherwise law-abiding people don't seem to have any ethical dilemma about pirating. Anyway, I feel like I've somehow slipped back into the 90s with this discussion, so I'll move on.
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Post by archmagezemoc on Nov 6, 2014 5:33:58 GMT -8
Came here to talk about 5E because I've been playing it twice weekly for 4 months now. But I got all confused by this "Oh my pirates! Dastardly fiends!" and don't know what to post about. So I'll just say advantage/disadvantage is a fairly satisfying mechanic so far.
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Post by kaitoujuliet on Nov 6, 2014 7:40:16 GMT -8
Came here to talk about 5E because I've been playing it twice weekly for 4 months now. But I got all confused by this "Oh my pirates! Dastardly fiends!" and don't know what to post about. So I'll just say advantage/disadvantage is a fairly satisfying mechanic so far. Try the 5E sub-board if you want to get more in depth with 5E stuff: happyjacks.proboards.com/board/7/system-specific-dnd-next I've been both playing and running 5E for a month or two, and so far I love it!
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Post by archmagezemoc on Nov 7, 2014 10:22:22 GMT -8
Well I think if this was a show topic something to touch on I think would be the departure from "most" of 4E's mechanics and feel. Reverting to a newer and more elegant rendition of older editions. How they have moved grid combat to "advanced" or optional rules, compared to the almost entirely grid battles of 4E. And the return of danger to the PCs, where death is but one critical hit away until you've gained a few levels, but even then with spells like Power Word Kill and beholders Disintegration beam (both of which kill a target with no save if they are below a certain HP threshold.) safety is not ensured.
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Post by archmagezemoc on Nov 20, 2014 9:59:33 GMT -8
As of yesterday night I can safely assure you an adult dragons breath weapon is enough to instant kill a wizard and a druid (level 5). So that's another marker of lethality lol.
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Post by lowkeyoh on Nov 20, 2014 10:38:09 GMT -8
As of yesterday night I can safely assure you an adult dragons breath weapon is enough to instant kill a wizard and a druid (level 5). So that's another marker of lethality lol. One of my favorite parts of the system is that my party downed a dracolich at level 5. The deadly part swings both ways
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Post by archmagezemoc on Nov 20, 2014 11:03:07 GMT -8
As of yesterday night I can safely assure you an adult dragons breath weapon is enough to instant kill a wizard and a druid (level 5). So that's another marker of lethality lol. One of my favorite parts of the system is that my party downed a dracolich at level 5. The deadly part swings both ways That's wicked fuckin awesome, but uh, I just flipped open my MM aaaand. . . . Did they kill a standard Challenge 17 Dracolich as level5s?? Cus if so that is absurd, in the best way ever. Otherwise, omg good for them, still so cool!
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Post by lowkeyoh on Nov 20, 2014 11:34:13 GMT -8
archmagezemoc , Dracolich template on a Adult White Dragon, CR 13. Players burned inspiration/bennies to pass the save for half damage on breath weapon. Paladin with polearm master hit three times, burned spell slots for smite, and started off the combat with 2d10+1d4+15+11d8, Fighter action surged and threw superiority dice on all his attacks for 5d6+5d8+25 and then Sorcerer brought out an empowered fireball. My group has pretty nutty burst damage, especially when they're burning inspiration. 200 HP comes faster than you'd think
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Post by archmagezemoc on Nov 20, 2014 11:43:18 GMT -8
archmagezemoc , Dracolich template on a Adult White Dragon, CR 13. Players burned inspiration/bennies to pass the save for half damage on breath weapon. Paladin with polearm master hit three times, burned spell slots for smite, and started off the combat with 2d10+1d4+15+11d8, Fighter action surged and threw superiority dice on all his attacks for 5d6+5d8+25 and then Sorcerer brought out an empowered fireball. My group has pretty nutty burst damage, especially when they're burning inspiration. 200 HP comes faster than you'd think This sounds so epic, my players last week did something similar, but they were Alphaing the Fire Giant king I made, Ragosh, who was imbued a powerful artifact. They nova, don't kill him, and proceed to then run away lol. So good, that Dracolich fight musta been so cool, also, Paladins are so fun with ultimate-mega-smiting
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