willh
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Post by willh on Oct 8, 2015 7:59:10 GMT -8
So wait. The hippie games prove that system matters? I love hippie games!!! System matters is actually one of the cornerstones of the who Indie/Hippie games movement.
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Post by tomes on Oct 8, 2015 8:18:52 GMT -8
So wait. The hippie games prove that system matters? I love hippie games!!! Yeeessss.... playing them is kind of like this: Oh, one more week and Big Bad Con with hippie game madness... and up in the bay area no less. Maybe I'll hit Haight and Ashbury before going over to the con. Although seriously, all that I'd find there is some very nice $7 lattes now-a-days.
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Post by yeknom on Oct 8, 2015 8:47:46 GMT -8
Ohh, I see it now. I thought the giraffe was vomiting for a second.
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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Oct 8, 2015 9:17:38 GMT -8
Me too. Everyone knows Giraffe vomit is fabulous.
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Post by chriton227 on Oct 8, 2015 9:21:30 GMT -8
On the topic of miniature prices, one thing that happened in the early to mid-90s is there was a switch in materials from lead to a variety of lead-free alternatives like Ral Partha's Raladium. When this happened the prices went up noticeably. IME, the lead-free materials hold their detail better than the old leads, but they are also more brittle. There were also a lot more mainstream miniatures manufacturers back in the 80s and early 90s, and with more competition comes lower prices.
Many of the minis you can find in stores now are from tabletop minis games like Warhammer and Hordes, they tend to price the miniatures based on their power level within the game, so you'll tend to see a lot of unreasonable high prices if you are just looking for figs to use in an RPG. I've also seen a lot of silly-high prices on the D&D Minis when they are from out-of-print sets or are rare figures from the sets. When I was heavily into DDM, it wasn't unusual to see people selling the commons for pennies or even giving them away, folks would by cases of boosters to get the rares and would end up with dozens of each of the commons due to the distribution in the packs and the sets.
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Post by uselesstriviaman on Oct 8, 2015 9:49:28 GMT -8
When I was heavily into DDM, it wasn't unusual to see people selling the commons for pennies or even giving them away, folks would by cases of boosters to get the rares and would end up with dozens of each of the commons due to the distribution in the packs and the sets. Ahh, those halcyon days when I used to scour the mini market of eBay for good deals. By the time I stopped buying, I acquired enough DDM minis to fill three tackle boxes. They're pretty damn handy. If you're looking for low-cost minis for your game, you might take a peek at the Pathfinder Pawns boxed set. It's a fantastic set of cardboard pawn minis for comparatively small cash. Big bang for your buck, and all that.
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Post by HourEleven on Oct 8, 2015 9:55:49 GMT -8
On the topic of miniature prices, one thing that happened in the early to mid-90s is there was a switch in materials from lead to a variety of lead-free alternatives like Ral Partha's Raladium. When this happened the prices went up noticeably. IME, the lead-free materials hold their detail better than the old leads, but they are also more brittle. There were also a lot more mainstream miniatures manufacturers back in the 80s and early 90s, and with more competition comes lower prices. Many of the minis you can find in stores now are from tabletop minis games like Warhammer and Hordes, they tend to price the miniatures based on their power level within the game, so you'll tend to see a lot of unreasonable high prices if you are just looking for figs to use in an RPG. I've also seen a lot of silly-high prices on the D&D Minis when they are from out-of-print sets or are rare figures from the sets. When I was heavily into DDM, it wasn't unusual to see people selling the commons for pennies or even giving them away, folks would by cases of boosters to get the rares and would end up with dozens of each of the commons due to the distribution in the packs and the sets. Very true, established games (warhammer and warma-hordes) with tournament rules stating you can only use their miniatures in legal play sky rocketed the prices with effective mini-monopolies making them priced far outside anything reasonable for RPG use.
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Post by Kainguru on Oct 8, 2015 10:10:11 GMT -8
Basically it was about a DM who ran 1st Ed AD&D exclusively and felt like the players shouldn't know the rules, as that would break immersion. That the GM should be the only lens through which the system interacted with the game at hand. That sounds like an interesting topic. I would contribute my opinion and references to my own GM experiences, but that seems dangerous given the thread's history. Can anyone explain why it grew to be 28 pages? Dear God . . . DON'T
and it's not
(an interesting topic that is, it's more like colonic irrigation through a rusty broken funnel with hot wax and Tabasco sauce)
Aaron
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Post by Kainguru on Oct 8, 2015 10:12:23 GMT -8
I would make a snarky **CENSORED** comment here, but I'm too brain fried tonight. What have I told you . . .
NO MORE ATTEMPTED CTHULHU SUMMONINGS THIS YEAR
Aaron
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Post by Kainguru on Oct 8, 2015 10:24:35 GMT -8
On mini's: as predicted the time of the 3D printed at home mini is drawing nearer. Here is my humble first attempt with a 2nd generation FDM 3D printer at 52mm scale which is perfectly adequate for most RPG's. SLA 3D Printers have halved in price in the last 2 months and are now only a shade more expensive than the 2nd generation FDM 3D printers were this time last year: a 1st generation (eg: Form1 by FormLabs) should be capable of printing precise detail clearly at this resolution and should retain most of it approaching 28-32mm (faces would lose the most detail still at this resolution but still be comparable to the old Ral Partha mini's circa 1980's) Aaron
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Post by maxinstuff on Oct 8, 2015 11:24:12 GMT -8
Yes, pretty soon we'll be able to buy 3D minis on Drivethru and print them
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Post by sbloyd on Oct 8, 2015 11:31:05 GMT -8
I remember when the promise of plastic minis was to drive the prices down. Why would I ever think GW would lower the prices on their minis?
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Post by OFTHEHILLPEOPLE on Oct 8, 2015 11:47:53 GMT -8
As GW has said, they are a miniatures company that just so happens to have a game attached to it.
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Post by sbloyd on Oct 8, 2015 12:11:24 GMT -8
Yes. But I recall when they started doing wide scale changeover to plastic, they hiked the prices "to cover the costs of retooling" and that prices would go down lower than pre-changeover rates. Prices only kept going up.
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Post by maxinstuff on Oct 8, 2015 12:39:02 GMT -8
Yes. But I recall when they started doing wide scale changeover to plastic, they hiked the prices "to cover the costs of retooling" and that prices would go down lower than pre-changeover rates. Prices only kept going up. Isn't GW a public company? Gotta keep those investors happy m8
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