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Post by Probie Tim on May 24, 2017 11:41:52 GMT -8
LOL. I was born of a demon... I have no friends... no family... Not sure where Dragonborn came from. Eberron, maybe? The 2e AD&D setting "Council of Wyrms" had half-dragon PCs. Maybe they're related. *shrug*
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Post by EricaOdd on May 24, 2017 11:56:15 GMT -8
There's a lotta things about me you don't know anything about. Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you shouldn't understand. You don't wanna get mixed up with a guy like me. I'm a loner. A rebel.... --Poor tortured tiefling soul (or Pee Wee Herman)
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Post by Probie Tim on May 24, 2017 12:50:28 GMT -8
Pee Wee Tiefling and Dottie Halfelven? I love it.
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Post by Kainguru on May 24, 2017 13:25:54 GMT -8
It just seems like dragon born was some stupid response to "the game is called Dungeons and Dragons and you can't even play a dragon!?" That was EXACTLY where they came from - It was in an article where WoTC announced the new (4th) Edition and the changes they had made to make DnD 'better' (IIRC it was a Dragon Magazine article) Aaron
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Post by tyler on May 24, 2017 15:01:16 GMT -8
I see now. It's a cranky old person thing.
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Post by EricaOdd on May 24, 2017 15:07:10 GMT -8
Yeah, kids today with their teiflings and their dragonborn and their long hair and rock and roll music. Ffffeeeehhhhhh!
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Post by HyveMynd on May 24, 2017 17:13:44 GMT -8
I see now. It's a cranky old person thing. Exactly. Though I do have some beef with Tieflings. I liked then in the 2e Planescape setting, cause everything was half-something in Sigil. It made sense since the city had numerous portals to every single plane ever. But I'm uncomfortable with the racism of Tieflings in 4e onward. The PHBs made a point of saying things like "universally reviled and mistrusted" because of their demonic heritage, but then does nothing with it. It seems like D&D wants everyone to get along and play nice, so why even bring that up? It bugs me.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 23:15:28 GMT -8
I see now. It's a cranky old person thing. Exactly. Though I do have some beef with Tieflings. I liked then in the 2e Planescape setting, cause everything was half-something in Sigil. It made sense since the city had numerous portals to every single plane ever. But I'm uncomfortable with the racism of Tieflings in 4e onward. The PHBs made a point of saying things like "universally reviled and mistrusted" because of their demonic heritage, but then does nothing with it. It seems like D&D wants everyone to get along and play nice, so why even bring that up? It bugs me. Welcome to why I hate players wanting to play 'evil' races. It assumes from the get go that everyone else is going to play some hippy who is okay with hanging out with monsters. Goblins, Drow, Tieflings... fuck them all. Its bad enough that most non-human races end up as a single stereotype or are played as humans but are taken for the stats. Add on top of that people wanting to play monsters? Hell no. Like, my character is going to take a swing the moment he sees you, because that's what you do when you see goblins in a town! Now, We might have to kill tieflings in some more creative way, given that they are hell tainted. Maybe treat them like witches and drown them. I don't know for sure, but we can come up with something. And to all the Drizzt's out there, get permission. Not from the GM, but from the whole group. There is a good chance that no one wants to play through the story/redemption of your special snowflake. In a game about all of us, you being a loathed and feared monster is going to hog a lot of the spotlight. Hence many of us find it not desirable. And if it is something which isn't going to come up, than why play it at all? And if you say for the magic powers, I'm going to vote to kick you from the group, I swear to god.
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Post by Kainguru on May 25, 2017 1:01:45 GMT -8
DnD's source genetic sequence, before the mutation: Pretty much sums up how I feel on the matter - except with far more paragraphs than I would have used vis-a-vis High Gygaxian. Aaron PS: Player: 'I'm gonna be a Dragonborn!!!' Me: 'I'd rather you didn't' Player: 'It's a core race!!!, you're blocking my creativity!!!, I wanna be a Dragonborn' Me: ' Yes, and . . . . . . . how do you feel about being an inert fossil?, for all the Dragonborn in this campaign were wiped out in a single mass extinction event when a giant meteor fell from the sky's covering the world with fire, ash and cloud' Player: 'humph, can I be a 'special snowflake' class this [insert preferred personal pronoun] published on Tumblr last week instead? - you have to be 1/4 Dark Elf, 1/4 Dragon, 1/4 Demon, 1/4 Solar conceived in Faerie Woods with Unicorn witnesses and . . . ' Me 'OUT . . .'
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2017 4:13:36 GMT -8
the primary balancing factor of monstrous player characters is their size, their anatomy and their metabolism that comes from their size. certain other racial traits like a creature's elemental composition, body temperature or environmental sensitivity can also be balancing factors. with the exceptions of draconic species that have permanent cold immunity, it is likely that the reptilian anatomy of dragons is bound to harm them quite badly in the cold when you factor their size and how much more they have to eat because it is cold or how hard it is to make blankets or campfires big enough for a dragon.
another trick a group can do, is elect to abandon a character they don't wish to travel with. a feytouched isn't too different from a half elf. but if you don't wish to travel with a drow, and the drow gets killed by adventurers, you could choose to not save him and choose to take his stuff and leave him on the ground naked.
though i would generally leave it up to the group the elect approval on a character they want to travel with and up to the player and GM to come up with a justification for why the character would answer their call.
there was a lone wolf sitting in the corner of the tavern who never approached anybody. i encouraged the group to leave him alone because he wanted to be left alone, and funny thing, the guy ended up chasing after us because he didn't want to be left out, even though he established his tiefling warlock as a brooding loner. apparently he followed and his out of game excuse was he had a soft spot for women and children, which our group had both of. he never hinted towards that in character though and never roleplayed that way.
he chased after the half elf in the porcelain doll dress because he apparently knew she was a holy knight of an Archfey Patron that clearly had a charisma based unarmored defense option and Training in 2 weapon style in the honor of his identitical drizz'ty patron. both had twin scimitars and followed the maelstrom maiden. one was a young adult male demon blooded drow descended tiefling hexblade warlock, the other a young female half moon elf paladin.
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Post by Kainguru on May 25, 2017 4:21:38 GMT -8
I see now. It's a cranky old person thing. I like being a cranky old person - it's the pay off being old: shouting at kids on the lawn and being a cunt without having to apologise anymore. 'Now git offa ma lawn with all your youth and vigour and stuff, or I'll strap you to my life energy draining chair and drink sweet tears of distilled youth to ease my blackened soul' Aaron
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2017 4:29:32 GMT -8
A Cleric of the Maelstrom Maiden isn't Mechanically Very Different from a Cleric of Talos in the fact both would have the tempest domain, the Difference is Worshipping the Maelstrom Maiden means you most likely dual wield scimitars and fight like some hybrid of a dervish and a swashbuckler in the name of freedom and individuality.
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Post by ayslyn on May 25, 2017 9:31:31 GMT -8
Now, I really don't agree with that. I can see that some people might be operating on that level, but I don't agree that it's the Principal reason everyone (or even most people) do it.
Speaking only for myself, any time I have sought to play a non-standard race, it was because there was some story that I wanted to explore that they would allow. It's like when I write. I don't pick gender or race, or anything for characters. I write about characters and tell their stories and they just happen to be men or women; white, black, polka-dotted.
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Post by ilina on May 25, 2017 10:06:34 GMT -8
some D&D Players just like thier Pathfinder kin would pick a race over having a mere +2 to thier primary attribute or in the case of the human and half elf, an extra feat or extra skill proficiencies.
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Post by tyler on May 26, 2017 14:10:29 GMT -8
some D&D Players just like thier Pathfinder kin would pick a race over having a mere +2 to thier primary attribute or in the case of the human and half elf, an extra feat or extra skill proficiencies. In any game where race is tied to in game statistics or abilities, you will always have people picking their race based on stats, rather than concept. What it sounds like to me, though, is people hating Tieflings nad Dragonborn for the opposite reason: they've had bad experiences with players who choose them based on concept. Which I can understand. Whenever I hear someone who wants to tell me about their Malkavian concept, I immediately inwardly cringe (and usually then outwardly cringe).
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