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Mote 27
Jun 23, 2017 17:24:25 GMT -8
Post by RudeAlert on Jun 23, 2017 17:24:25 GMT -8
Use multiple tabs and have it display code. I've done it a few times NEVER. I'LL JUST BE ANNOYING AND FILL OUT THE BOARD WITH MY WORDS!!!! PREACH!!!!
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Mote 27
Jun 23, 2017 17:27:55 GMT -8
Post by RudeAlert on Jun 23, 2017 17:27:55 GMT -8
This bothered me, too, but I'm already such a pedant in real life, so I didn't want to say anything. ^^;; That said, I do love the silliness of activists who campaign against floods not because they're dangerous but because they just don't like the damp. Is this like Antibellum? (snickers) RudeAlert The way that demons handle extra actions is in the errata in Players handbook. I really wish that game had gotten better treatment. It's such an interesting game and they rushed it out the door because they were moving on. I both Love and Hate Demon with a passion. I love all the individual things they did I just hate the conformation of Judeo-Christian mythology. As much as Vampire is my favorite, I prefer the much more "Dunno, maybe magick?" answers one got out of the Mage line, made mixing much less grating. Also, Looky ma only one post! I feel kinda like the same about Demon, it has some cool stuff in it but I didn't like the way it just made the Judeo-Christian god objectively real. I also didn't think their powers were really that cool; thematically I liked the divisions and all that but mechanically they felt kind of underwhelming. I actually thought that the powers of Demons would have worked batter for a Mage-like game, where mages master various facets of reality but in very specific forms. And on the flip side, I feel like the Spheres of Mage would have worked better for Demons given their role as the builders of reality.
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Mote 27
Jun 23, 2017 22:23:58 GMT -8
Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 23, 2017 22:23:58 GMT -8
shinigamitwo I hear that complaint a lot but honestly it never bothered me. Unlikely nWoD, I always felt like the gamelines were separate and I never transferred one mythology to the other than some minor stuff.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 3:27:19 GMT -8
Post by sbloyd on Jun 24, 2017 3:27:19 GMT -8
I feel kinda like the same about Demon, it has some cool stuff in it but I didn't like the way it just made the Judeo-Christian god objectively real. And Vampire didn't? The lore is pretty clear.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 10:04:19 GMT -8
Post by RudeAlert on Jun 24, 2017 10:04:19 GMT -8
I feel kinda like the same about Demon, it has some cool stuff in it but I didn't like the way it just made the Judeo-Christian god objectively real. And Vampire didn't? The lore is pretty clear. It is clear but it's also easy enough to ignore or dismiss, whereas Demon kinda hits you right on the head with it. It also brings that whole mythology front and center and makes it pretty much impossible to ignore. I always liked that even though everything in Vampire tells you that they are descended from Caine, who was allegedly the Cain of the Bible, it could always just be a very pervasive myth or a very twisted version of actual events. Demon just made it too blatant for my taste.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 10:23:59 GMT -8
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 24, 2017 10:23:59 GMT -8
And Vampire didn't? The lore is pretty clear. It is clear but it's also easy enough to ignore or dismiss, whereas Demon kinda hits you right on the head with it. It also brings that whole mythology front and center and makes it pretty much impossible to ignore. I always liked that even though everything in Vampire tells you that they are descended from Caine, who was allegedly the Cain of the Bible, it could always just be a very pervasive myth or a very twisted version of actual events. Demon just made it too blatant for my taste. See while it does seem very blatant, there is a huge caveat in the books that you're getting your story from a bunch of creatures that are known to be liars and most likely driven insane by their confinement. I mean how many creatures exist in the Umbra and Far Shores (that was what they were called in Wraith right?) call themselves demons? Even if it they are the true biblical demons, I find the mythology behind it all interesting and there's plenty of fun stuff to work with so don't mind it at all.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 11:08:24 GMT -8
Post by RudeAlert on Jun 24, 2017 11:08:24 GMT -8
It is clear but it's also easy enough to ignore or dismiss, whereas Demon kinda hits you right on the head with it. It also brings that whole mythology front and center and makes it pretty much impossible to ignore. I always liked that even though everything in Vampire tells you that they are descended from Caine, who was allegedly the Cain of the Bible, it could always just be a very pervasive myth or a very twisted version of actual events. Demon just made it too blatant for my taste. See while it does seem very blatant, there is a huge caveat in the books that you're getting your story from a bunch of creatures that are known to be liars and most likely driven insane by their confinement. I mean how many creatures exist in the Umbra and Far Shores (that was what they were called in Wraith right?) call themselves demons? Even if it they are the true biblical demons, I find the mythology behind it all interesting and there's plenty of fun stuff to work with so don't mind it at all. Oh I agree that their mythology was a very interesting take on the Judeo-Christian myth, and of course the fact that they've spent eons in Hell could certainly account for some interesting twisted memories, but... eh... I dunno, it just didn't really click with me. I felt like it had great potential but it never felt quite right for me. Different strokes and all, you know. I like a mix of slow and fast strokes myself, with maybe of bit of a twist every once in a while.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 11:20:52 GMT -8
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 24, 2017 11:20:52 GMT -8
See while it does seem very blatant, there is a huge caveat in the books that you're getting your story from a bunch of creatures that are known to be liars and most likely driven insane by their confinement. I mean how many creatures exist in the Umbra and Far Shores (that was what they were called in Wraith right?) call themselves demons? Even if it they are the true biblical demons, I find the mythology behind it all interesting and there's plenty of fun stuff to work with so don't mind it at all. Oh I agree that their mythology was a very interesting take on the Judeo-Christian myth, and of course the fact that they've spent eons in Hell could certainly account for some interesting twisted memories, but... eh... I dunno, it just didn't really click with me. I felt like it had great potential but it never felt quite right for me. Different strokes and all, you know. I like a mix of slow and fast strokes myself, with maybe of bit of a twist every once in a while. I try to mix it up a bit whenever I run my games for Demon. There's never quite one real truth but there are some similarities in every demons stories. I take a Gnostic approach where God, Yawweh, what have you isn't the omnipotent biblical figure, but a vastly powerful but imperfect being that has an imperfect creation. The rebellion and Abyss is much the same, though I sprinkle in things like Lilith, some Angels still being around, and the completely confusing fact that Gaia has a very real an active presence even though Demons are ninety percent sure Werewolves are just Malhilim.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 11:24:39 GMT -8
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Post by sovereigncitizenkane on Jun 24, 2017 11:24:39 GMT -8
I also threw in some Cthulhuian entities that oppose the big G. I had a lot of fun with it.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 11:36:03 GMT -8
Post by The Northman on Jun 24, 2017 11:36:03 GMT -8
So bashing becomes lethal, and lethal becomes aggravated. This works for rollover damage as well. So if you get ten bashing after soak, you end up the first three boxes converting to lethal. That's how we did in our games that's why the symbol to write damage are / then X then * We should normally have fun being shot by puny bullets and being more afraid of being cut open or fire Does Dragonbreath bullets exist in reality too. We had DB bullets too for all guns in our games. Also, UV is not supposed to harm vampires. If you put science into this you can easily twist the game. As I understand it, yes they exist but the damage to the weapon is pretty much a guarantee.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 11:37:15 GMT -8
Post by The Northman on Jun 24, 2017 11:37:15 GMT -8
Maybe they're also *against* floods, in addition to pre-dating them.
You don't even *know*.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 11:43:35 GMT -8
Post by Probie Tim on Jun 24, 2017 11:43:35 GMT -8
Maybe they're also *against* floods, in addition to pre-dating them. DUDE, EXACTLY. In my games all the 3rd generation monsters are vehemently opposed to floods. They picket them at every opportunity, when they're not sleeping away the centuries in torpor. You think the Jyhad exits to gain power and control the world? Pff, n00b. It exists solely to do away with floods of all type. They truly are... antIdiluvians.
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Mote 27
Jun 24, 2017 12:36:45 GMT -8
Post by RudeAlert on Jun 24, 2017 12:36:45 GMT -8
Pfff, damn pro-flood fanatics on these boards. Damn floodies everywhere!!!
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Mote 27
Jun 26, 2017 15:22:47 GMT -8
Post by shinigamitwo on Jun 26, 2017 15:22:47 GMT -8
Maybe they're also *against* floods, in addition to pre-dating them. DUDE, EXACTLY. In my games all the 3rd generation monsters are vehemently opposed to floods. They picket them at every opportunity, when they're not sleeping away the centuries in torpor. You think the Jyhad exits to gain power and control the world? Pff, n00b. It exists solely to do away with floods of all type. They truly are... antIdiluvians. Pfff, damn pro-flood fanatics on these boards. Damn floodies everywhere!!! DAMN YOU ALL! I really didn't need to wash my nose out with carbonated anything thank-you-very-much!
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Mote 27
Jun 26, 2017 15:34:08 GMT -8
Post by shinigamitwo on Jun 26, 2017 15:34:08 GMT -8
It is clear but it's also easy enough to ignore or dismiss, whereas Demon kinda hits you right on the head with it. It also brings that whole mythology front and center and makes it pretty much impossible to ignore. I always liked that even though everything in Vampire tells you that they are descended from Caine, who was allegedly the Cain of the Bible, it could always just be a very pervasive myth or a very twisted version of actual events. Demon just made it too blatant for my taste. See while it does seem very blatant, there is a huge caveat in the books that you're getting your story from a bunch of creatures that are known to be liars and most likely driven insane by their confinement. I mean how many creatures exist in the Umbra and Far Shores (that was what they were called in Wraith right?) call themselves demons? Even if it they are the true biblical demons, I find the mythology behind it all interesting and there's plenty of fun stuff to work with so don't mind it at all. I'll admit I did not think about the unreliable narrator being in effect with Demon, as that does help slightly, though I have always felt WoD were "truthful" in the "non-fiction" sections of the various WoD books. It was just that in the big three you had Judeo-Christian God, Earth Goddess Animism, and Shrug-a-palosa with the lesser lines adding in Amon-Ra et al, Dreaming, What Afterlife?, and Maybe Angels? (Did I miss someone, I feel I missed someone) Everybody had faith they were right but no one had proof. Then you have these ancient beings who created the world and have memories, sometimes, of creating it. Memories that can be found true, "Hey I remember there being a fortress here, LOOK! there is!" And I've always been a crazy that unified the sets of worlds, might be why my ears bleed at the mention of sc... DAMN EARS!
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